Apple/ Epic Lawsuit - How will it affect Unreal Engine and the Development of Ashes of Creation?

As the lawsuit between Epic Games and Apple ramp up, there are a number of articles and you tube videos doing the rounds as to how the big apple blocking Epic from development tools will dramatically and critically infringe on any development company using the Unreal Engine from here on in for the foreseeable future of the lawsuit and beyond.

Perhaps it would be great if Steven could make a statement or address this topic in the upcoming AMA as to how this landmark case will affect (or not affect) the development of Ashes of Creation.

"On Monday, Epic said that Apple threatened not only to remove Fortnite, but to disable the company’s developer accounts entirely. This would essentially make the Unreal Engine a dead-end technology on the iPhone and Mac, according to Epic.

“When Apple terminates Epic’s Apple Developer Program accounts, the consequences will be devastating,” Epic CEO Tim Sweeney wrote in a filing on Monday. “Without access to these SDKs, APIs, and other tools, Epic would be unable to develop future updates to the Unreal Engine for use on iOS and macOS, and would thus be forced to discontinue Unreal Engine for iOS and macOS.”

Personally I dont believe it should providing that Intrepid are not customising the Unreal Engine and can continue with development unaffected. Am I wrong?

Example article:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/23/21397369/epic-apple-fortnite-lawsuit-ios-microsoft-developer-tax

Edit: Ive added in a quote as there is some confusion that this ONLY affects mobile games.

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River

It won't, ashes isn't a mobile game...

OnyStyle

What River said. Also, the ashes team IS in fact customizing unreal engine to suit their needs.

Sendbackup

River wrote: »

It won't, ashes isn't a mobile game...

OnyStyle wrote: »

What River said. Also, the ashes team IS in fact customizing unreal engine to suit their needs.

Yes indeed this is not a mobile game. You need to read the quote above. If a company uses MacOS for any aspect of development EPIC will not be able to support it and render MAC tool obsolete.

BaSkA_9x2

If Apple wants to fight Epic and by consequence prematurely end UE's development in macOS, there's nothing IS can do, really. Ashes might or might not work in macOS, especially in future updates and/or engine upgrades.

It's up to Apple's customers to either make some noise or stop buying their products. More power to other Unix based operational systems and Windows.

Lfmr

It is unlikely the lawsuit will negatively effect AoC in anyway, in fact it is more likely to cause good rather then bad with all of the publicity epic and UE is garnering from the lawsuit.

Rockwell

The most this will affect AoC is their planned (hopeful) of some mobile integration. I can't remember the specifics except the tavern games. Not being available on MacOS is a non issue since they'll just run windows to play the game, however I doubt there is a sizeable percentage of Mac users planning on playing.

After the UE5 demo I cannot wait to see how Ashes will look a year or so after release.

Dolyem

Thank god I'm an android user.

BobzUrUncle

Who cares. It won't be a mobile game, and it is releasing on Windows. That would just mean that Linux people would probably get the port first.

cyanideinsanity

As far as the mmo goes intrepid hasn't even committed to a mac, or linux, release.

Noaani

This lawsuit will have no impact at all on people that are using uE on PC's to create a game for PC's.

Intrepid use UE on PC to create a game for PC's, and so this should have no impact on them.

The worst thing I can think of potentially happening is if they have a few artists that prefer to use a Mac. This lawsuit may see them have to transition over to PC.

It may also mean this game will never come out on Mac - but since Apple are moving over to ARM over Intel, that was unlikely to ever happen anyway.

Caeryl

Apple software sucks anyway. Ashes isn’t gonna be affected at all.

CaptnChuck

Why would you ever play any PC game on a mac laptop? They get super hot and are extremely over-priced. Also most mac laptops come with super low end graphics cards, so you're not going to be able to play the game comfortably anyways.

Now if you're using an Apple PC, then that's just unfortunate.

nidriks

Windows has a near 90% share of the personal computer market (as of September 2019). It will mean next to nothing for Ashes.

I once had an IPad and used Itunes. One day I got a sony walkman mp3 instead. I had to charge it once a week at most. My Ipod I had to charge daily.

I will never understand why people love Apple so much.

BobzUrUncle

Noaani wrote: »

This lawsuit will have no impact at all on people that are using uE on PC's to create a game for PC's.

Intrepid use UE on PC to create a game for PC's, and so this should have no impact on them.

The worst thing I can think of potentially happening is if they have a few artists that prefer to use a Mac. This lawsuit may see them have to transition over to PC.

It may also mean this game will never come out on Mac - but since Apple are moving over to ARM over Intel, that was unlikely to ever happen anyway.

The bonus is that most people who like Macs are the artists anyways (not sure why, Windows is just as good for graphics). They can still do their art on their Macs, and just import the final figures into the MMO.

Valento92

I was worried for a minute but then I read it's tied to Apple OS's only (iOS, MAC). I'm relieved.

PlagueMonk

Caeryl wrote: »

Apple software sucks anyway. Ashes isn’t gonna be affected at all.

First off, really must we go there?

And secondly, no Apple software doesn't suck. Just because YOU don't personally use something is not a reason to disparage it.

I have an iPhone and most likely will not be effected by this since I don't use my phone to play games. That's why I have a PC

Caeryl

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Apple software sucks anyway. Ashes isn’t gonna be affected at all.

First off, really must we go there?

And secondly, no Apple software doesn't suck. Just because YOU don't personally use something is not a reason to disparage it.

I have an iPhone and most likely will not be effected by this since I don't use my phone to play games. That's why I have a PC

I also have an iPhone. That’s why I say with confidence: Apple software sucks.

At least the phones don’t explode anymore, that was a wild time.

Noaani

Caeryl wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Apple software sucks anyway. Ashes isn’t gonna be affected at all.

First off, really must we go there?

And secondly, no Apple software doesn't suck. Just because YOU don't personally use something is not a reason to disparage it.

I have an iPhone and most likely will not be effected by this since I don't use my phone to play games. That's why I have a PC

I also have an iPhone. That’s why I say with confidence: Apple software sucks.

At least the phones don’t explode anymore, that was a wild time.

I had an iPhone once too, and I can say with confidence that Apple software sucks too.

Worse than that, the company sucks. I could forgive the software sucking if they were actually trying to make an over all better experience for their users. Sadly, they are only working on giving the appearance of a better experience for their users, rather than actually caring about that experience.

This is why I no longer have an iPhone.

What I can't understand at all is any person that uses an Apple product at all any more.

The design flaws of their phones and laptops are well documented, and their repair program is so poor it is borderline illegal (and this is a fact being challenged in court).

How any person could look at that and still buy one of their products is beyond me - let alone continue to defend the company.

CaptnChuck

Well the judge just recently ruled it so that apple cannot restrict Epic's access to UE ios tools. So there's nothing to worry about.

Yuyukoyay

Get a real pc and not get apple. Fuck apple they are the most anti consumer company I've ever seen in my life. Only company that overcharges for an inferior product compared to every other competitor. They do this by like 400 to 800 dollar differences. I don't even accept calls from my friends who use apple products cuz I can't hear crap of what they are saying.

This probably won't affect the game at all. Even people with Apple run windows on dual OS.

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