Death and taxes, but mostly death. Where will I go when I die? (In AoC)

So what happens when you die in Ashes of Creation?

Usually there is some sort of penalty for dying. A tax on time to run back and a durability hit to your equipment is pretty standard. Where a dungeon death sends you back to the entrance.

Since AoC will have open world dungeons, there will clearly be pvp in there.

So I wanna know what happens when you die?
Will these penalties apply if slain by a player?
Where do I Rez? Will I have to do a corpse run?
Let's skip talking about corruption, I get that one.

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Hurf Derfman

Example of areas of concern:

I'm tanking a dungeon, half my party gets gibbed by a rival guild. We kill them all but cannot proceed without the full party.

Where will they Rez? Where will the enemy Rez? Are they going to get bashed until we leave to go get them? Would they be able to run back or would mob spawns prevent it?
Is my groups fighter at risk of having his sword break cause they're out numbered until we regroup?

Jahlon

You drop a percentage of your gatherables of craftables. The exact percentage varies based on your combatant state.

You earn an amount of negative experience. Again, the amount varies based on your combatant state.

You respawn at the nearest respawn point; unless you are corrupted then you respawn at a random one.

Yes there are rezzes, assuming your Cleric didn't die.

Kneczhevo

I finally narrowed this down.

If you die, you get/receive an "exp debt". Which you can recover with more questing and killing. If you suffer to many deaths, your abilities will deminish (hit points, skill levels, etc), but you will not "delevel". But, if you die enough times, you might be as effective as a level 1. Lord forbid, if that ever happens to anyone. Lol

Death Debt; is when you loose an amount of gains that can be recovered by any means.

Now, for "Death penalty". This is when you loose something (exp, loot, gear, etc).

This occurs when people are flagged. Flagging occurs when people instigate PvP outside the PvP areas (ie. caravans, sieges, node wars, arenas, etc). If you die, you have a chance to drop gatherables, depending on your combat state (non-combat, combatant, corrupted.) If your red (corrupted) you have a chance of dropping your gear, upon your death. "Don't murder people!"

Murder is killing someone outside the PvP areas (as discribed above). The Corruption system is designed for farming rights and settling scores. Do it to much, you get corrupted. Try griefing with it, and it will punish you. Killing people is okay, in PvP areas. Just don't murder people outside of them.

But, where do we respawn, when we die? We don't know yet. Some people speculate random areas, to prevent zerging. Dunno. But, you can't have everyone running across the globe, just to get back in your event.

You will notice, in the siege videos. The attackers can grab a Rez portal inside the castle to capture, so the attackers can spawn in closer to the objective, after defeating a boss. No clue how this works in outside PvP. Probably the normal "bind spots". After all, it is a MMORPG.

Sorry, I could not be more concise and shorter. It's really complex, and people are having a tough time wrapping their heads around it. Hope it helps.

Perhaps some "content creator" will make an animated, claymation video (Hint, hint) or something.

Edit: added a, don't murder people, killing is okay comment.

Hurf Derfman

@Jahlon thx
So waypoint Rez locations exist, and the don't release unless the healer is dead doctrine will be applied. Good to know.

Hopefully the xp loss for being purple flagged won't be to severe.

Hurf Derfman

@Kneczhevo based on how the flagging system works I woul likely be purple flagged 90% of the time.

Red (corrupted) can burn on a spit.

Hopefully purple (mutual combatant) won't incur a xp or durability loss.

Would suck to be a lone dps and Rez somewhere only to find yourself horribly out numbered, or to get smashed down a level by players while trying to get back to your event.

Hurf Derfman

So the next question, is outside of being corrupted, should purple or green flagged players suffer anything other than the inconvenience of having to run back to the event if/when killed by another player?

Kneczhevo

Hurf Derfman wrote: »

@Kneczhevo based on how the flagging system works I woul likely be purple flagged 90% of the time.

Red (corrupted) can burn on a spit.

Hopefully purple (mutual combatant) won't incur a xp or durability loss.

Would suck to be a lone dps and Rez somewhere only to find yourself horribly out numbered, or to get smashed down a level by players while trying to get back to your event.

That's what Intrepid wants, Everyone blue (combatant). But there are some who don't want to be blue. So, you get greens (non-combatant). But then there are those times, when you want/need to remove a green. Murder to many greens, you get corrupted. Don't murder greens! Kill one or two, okay.

Kneczhevo

Blue/purple. Whatever.

Purple reminds me of Epic.

Blue reminds me of middle line.

Combatant reminds me of middle ground.

Thanks @Jahlon and "our" color blindedness and your charts. /Hugs

Hurf Derfman

@Kneczhevo hmm I assumed non-combat was the default state.

Generally speaking the only way I'm not fighting back is if I'm afk, horribly out leveled, or the guy attacking me has multiple friends waiting for me to flag while he initiates.

Kneczhevo

It is, unless you "toggle" it to combatant. Your choice. Carebear vs look@metarget.

Hurf Derfman

So let's say I die in a dungeon as purple flagged and the entire dungeon rezes at the same rally point.

Could be an hot spot for pvp.
One solution would be to have purple flagged revert back to green so they can regroup with their party.

As for those who are hostile because guild/node/religious war there should be no xp loss, or item durability damage.
Otherwise bullshit de-leveling tactics would ensue, and become a meta.

Kneczhevo

Ya, well. Now you're begining to speculate, and this gets dangerous.

"There is no exception to the rule, except to the rule of exceptions.".

Hurf Derfman

Fair enough.

I'm weirdly ok with the loot pinata aspects remaining.

Kneczhevo

Ya... Loot pinatas. This one gunna be fun. Especially when a red decides he gunna ruin the party.

Remember. Reds can't join any event... Part of the corruption system.

Edited.

Hurf Derfman

Kneczhevo wrote: »

Ya... Loot pinatas. This one gunna be fun. Especially when a red decides he gunna ruin the party.

Remember. Reds can't join any event... Part of the corruption system.

Edited.

Orly? Didn't know that.

Good. I may dabble in bounty hunting. 🤠😎

Kneczhevo

Bounty hunters is a total other topic. With the Corruption being as punishing as it is, who will red up for the bounty hunters?

Hurf Derfman

@Kneczhevo
That's actually a really good point.

When I first heard about it I thought it was away to hunt criminals, and stuff like attacking caravans would give you corruption.

Boy was I wrong.

Military nodes may need something else. Not much is known about em, and seem lackluster compared to what is known about the others.

bloodprophet

Ya we really need to see the Know your nodes for the last two.

Kneczhevo

@Hurf Derfman

Like I said, it's complex. Intrepid is playing with new ruleset based on old skool mechanics. And people can't wrap their heads around it. Especially those who come from other game styles (fps, rts, mmo, 5x, what ever). Most never played a real MMORPG before. Just because the box says mmo or PvP, does not equate to MMORPG. There are very few, MMORPGs make PvP work (Eve, Ultima, planet side, I believe) AoC is offering is PvX. A new system, and it's confusing. Even to the hardcore's.

Alas. Engineers can't speak laymen. And a lot gets lost in translation. Reason I am pushing for a Lexicon. So peeps, like yourself, will be better informed.

Hurf Derfman

@Kneczhevo lexicon sounds so mystical.🤭

I feel like I'm fairly up to speed at this point. Looking forward to the qa tomorrow.

There are many things I'm curious about but the info simply isn't public yet.

Things like augments, the other 4 archetypes active skills, what a Vek looks like ect.

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