Node siege incentives

Hi All, maybe this has been answered somewhere, but i couldn't find the answer. I know that higher level node has to be destroyed for neighboring nodes to be able to level up, so this kind of makes sense to motivate players to siege the nodes, but what is stopping everyone just getting citizenship of bigger level node in stead? Even if there's cooldown, to join new city after leaving old one, you still can do it.

So why would anyone want to join lower level node?

Is there cap at how many people can be citizens?

Is there limited housing space? (I've seen somewhere that there's instanced housing as well as open world housing, so just cap for open world housing?)

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Gimlog

@Mojottv if a big guild as all his member in one node , it's a bad guild ...

We don't know much of nodes augments, but there is no way one node type get a augment that is the best for all classes.
You'll have to split member in the 4 nodes types.
And so you'll have less influence on nodes but you'll get the benefits of the 4 nodes types that make your guild stronger.

Mojottv

Gimlog wrote: »

@Mojottv if a big guild as all his member in one node , it's a bad guild ...

We don't know much of nodes augments, but there is no way one node type get a augment that is the best for all classes.
You'll have to split member in the 4 nodes types.
And so you'll have less influence on nodes but you'll get the benefits of the 4 nodes types that make your guild stronger.

Hmm.. i dunno how it would work, then, so how many guilds would defend the node? I mean, it should have bigger incentive for guilds to be based at the same or vassal nodes. I mean, ideally you want constant struggle to unlock content. So that there's many strong alliences fighting each other over map control and who can progress their node. and not just couple of mega huge alliences holding 4 types of nodes.

Littlekenny21

If the combat system is done reasonably well, there should be groups that specialise in these sieges and can easily take on pve focused guilds of double the size. Winning the siege is the only incentive they would need. That's the group I would want to come under but don't have much faith the combat system will work well for large scale PvP.

biggkenny

Littlekenny21 wrote: »

If the combat system is done reasonably well, there should be groups that specialise in these sieges and can easily take on pve focused guilds of double the size. Winning the siege is the only incentive they would need. That's the group I would want to come under but don't have much faith the combat system will work well for large scale PvP.

Strangely enough I agree with my brother here.. If the combat is good enough to allow for smaller groups to be able to fight larger groups due to skill then I can see specialised groups appearing. Running around as a tactical small group in GW2 was one of the most fun things I've done in games, and I would be totally up for doing that in this game. The incentive would just be that it is possible to do and feels good to play.
Briefly regarding the combat system, some worries are:
- tab target abilities will be as strong as skillshots (big worry)
- zergs will be able to out CC a smaller group through sheer numbers

Tyrantor

I think you're both saying "Combat" but the reality is what needs to be "good enough" for that type of a scenario to play out is how much players can actually customize their characters. If attribute and skill point allocation allows us to create very specific playstyles, group focus and strategic builds for PvP that allows us to counter specific strategies then Yes that would make the "combat" good enough in a way that a smaller group can compete against the odds.

However if the game is going to have relatively generic attribute allocations where 10 additional points in specific attributes has minimal to no real meaning and the game will rely solely on these "buffs" to level the playing field by essentially buffing the characters for us that just sounds like some WoW type of balance mechanic.

Players should be rewarded for understanding how to build characters with attributes, skills and equipment and that is what should give smaller groups an advantage over larger ones more than any buff the game is going to offer in addition to.

Mojottv

Tyrantor wrote: »

I think you're both saying "Combat" but the reality is what needs to be "good enough" for that type of a scenario to play out is how much players can actually customize their characters. If attribute and skill point allocation allows us to create very specific playstyles, group focus and strategic builds for PvP that allows us to counter specific strategies then Yes that would make the "combat" good enough in a way that a smaller group can compete against the odds.

However if the game is going to have relatively generic attribute allocations where 10 additional points in specific attributes has minimal to no real meaning and the game will rely solely on these "buffs" to level the playing field by essentially buffing the characters for us that just sounds like some WoW type of balance mechanic.

Players should be rewarded for understanding how to build characters with attributes, skills and equipment and that is what should give smaller groups an advantage over larger ones more than any buff the game is going to offer in addition to.

Well I really hope, they will do it similar to Lineage, where although all clases were basicly the same, except for small variation in gear. But well built party, with people who can play they characters good, would anahilate 4-5 parties of equal level and similar gear.

Gimlog

@Mojottv there is no incentive for guild in nodes because nodes aren't guild content, castles are.
Nodes are a world mechanic that every player need to get content.

Guild that are interested in castle will gather around them .
The perfect situation would be the 4 types of nodes represent in 1 metropolis and 3 city.
You could do almost nothing to prevents rivals guilds to live in those to.

Guilds not interests in castles will eventually siege those metropolis to get one in a others place.
And those rivals guild will work to gather to defend it , and that what is beautiful

Those who will try to organise and lead the defense would probably be the major, his subordinates, players with the highest grade in religions and social organisations and the king of the region. Because they have battle size ability during sieges.

But all is subject to change in beta ...

Bricktop

There will be a system where guilds can swear allegiance to the mayor of a node that I read about on the wiki, but I don't think it's fleshed out yet.

Mojottv

well it makes sense that guilds would be based around same node, otherwise there's not going to be much of node fights

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