Subscription or F2P

TAKE IT EASY!!! I'LL PAY THE SUBSCRIPTION NO MATTER WHAT!!!
BUT.

I think It can be an issue for many people to start paying from day one without actually touch and feel the game.
(I know I know you don't need to buy the game and its huge but still.....)

I think DEVS must think of many different ways to drag people in.
Like:

"Free Saturday":
Try to catch gamers while they at home and give them the opportunity to get into the game.
If they will like it they will subscribe.

"Play free until level 10 or 15 with restrictions on trade and chat":
In that case people will start, create an character, see and feel the game.
After that they will have something in AoC world that can bring them back any time.

"Watching AoC streams gives you a key to try the game for 3 days"
(Valorant developers did something like that)
(limited amount per Twitch account)"

After that you can give them:
"Watching AoC streams gives you some tokens to extend the subscription period.
(limited amount in month per account)"

"Friend invite reward":
That idea taken from real world head hunters.
Once you inviting a friend and he gets he gets one month or less of free play time.
After his grace period if he stays in the game you as a inviter gets a extension of you subscription for every 10 level your friend gets.

"Pay subscription with in game currency"
Cons: Paying sub with ingame currency heavily encoureges RMT which we can agree is really bad.

I really want Ashes of Creation to succeed!!!
I don't want to see another ambitious project to disappear
(like Wildstar they also started with subscription and after that turn to F2P but it was too late and we all know where they are now.)

Please share you ideas guys of how to bring more people in and make AoC a huge game.

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arsnn

PlagueMonk wrote: »

IMHO, if you can afford a computer powerful enough to run AoC then you can afford the 15 bucks a month. Not saying AoC will need a 2000$ setup BUT it is surely going to require much higher standards than WoW (who even upped their system reqs for their upcoming expansion)

If you CAN'T afford the 15 bucks then you probably should be doing something else with your time.

I am also against any form of free play model, even if it's only to lvl 10. The people who do this tend to generate the most asinine names which really ruins my immersion factor.

I dont think that´s the point at all.
Lowering the barrier of entry is something that is done in many fields of busines. Have a look on which aspects platform economy excells. It´s rapidly overtaking anything because of that.
Dont get me wrong i want a subscription based game, but imo intrepid does good when they can attract players that previously didnt touch any subscribtion model games because of that barrier. The new generation for example has no experience with that at all.
I personally think there is a segment of them that would certaintly enjoy good mmos but most of them just get buy2play games and play something that they know from their youtuber idols.
Lowering the barrier and creating a marketing hype through streams can help with that a lot.

MountainBoomer

If you have to entice people to try the game at the start, there are bigger issues. Free weekends usually come after a game has been out a while. Having a bunch of free accounts of people that do not stay, end up taking up server resources, customer service help and on and on. WOW seems to do just fine with a sub based game as have others. I have seen too many games decline when they go F2P and add in P2W aspects or pay aspects to meet their revenue goals.

DeadlyDave

Your not buying the game for $30, 40, 50 dollars, so if you cant spend $15 to have a go for a MONTH, then im sorry, stick to watching youtube videos until you have managed to save up the massive amount.

By release if it's going to be the best mmorpg on the market it will sell it self, there be 10 million Youtube videos by then, if cant decided from that, then go plug the xbox in.

If the game was $50 to buy and a $15 subscription i could see your point.

Khronus

They are giving us the game for free. People spent $$$ on wow and also subscribed to the monthly subscription before playing it. Anyone interested in the game and is afraid to spend $15 just simply needs to spend less time in front of their computer and worry about how to get the bills paid.

Tragnar

I think this concern is more about children and students that are tight on money in university

Volgaire

Either a free ride till level 10 or so with restrictions or a 3 day free period once they first enter the game, sometimes the idea of paying monthly for a game is enough to turn people away since they might not like it and you can't refund subs either.

sarkado

I know pretty much all people want hands on before making a choice, but there is going to be so many videos and live streams before this game comes out that people should have good idea whether they really want to play this game or not. By that point if someone doesn't have $15.00 this game may not be the right choice for them.

Kneczhevo

So much has been said here, but I gotta chime in 😈

If you can't afford $15 a month, you need to rethink your life choices. I can spend more than that in one night, in RL. There are enough F2P games out there for you.

If there is "any" free entry (ie. trial days) you will see griefing. Hardcore griefers (trolls) will make alt accounts and go around griefing the other players and the game (who pay a subscription), because there are no reprocussions to the player or account (whoopi, you banned a free trial account).

The subscription fee is there to keep out unnecessary rifraf. It also provides GM intervention (ie. Real game issues, not the silly ones ("help me GM. That rat killed me")).

How can anyone get a feel for AoC in just a couple of days? You can't experience the class system until level 25. Chances are, you can't experience the node or caravan system. You won't be getting into Siege's. What's the point?

Okay, so you want to experience the combat system. In all actuality, AoC is just like all the other MMORPGs. Well except for tab/action targeting, and that's not really revolutionary, all MMORPGs use tab, and FPSs use action, it's just a combination of the two.

I could go on. I just felt like ranting. 😁

Edit: The best way to get the word out, about your product? Make a great product, and the flocks will roost.

Hartwell

A promotional code might be better after the earliest stages. Sign up and get some free Embers, additional subscription time with purchase, a free starter pack of some cosmetics, or something along those lines.

Free trials need to be a last resort. I wouldn't say never, but there have been games where gold sellers went as far as using free trial character bodies to spell out gold seller links. It's best to avoid free entry if at all possible. Use them if the population is really struggling. There's going to be thousands of players trying out this game at launch. There will be server queues. No need for free trials yet.

Drokk

$15/month is about the cheapest hobby you'll ever find. This is a non-issue.

Kreed

Absolute no to free to play model or trials. The amount of issues they bring to games is not worth the time or effort to have them.

To hell with the Curs who want everything for free and do nothing to earn their way in life. As it has been stated before it will keep the Riff Raft out, well at least help to keep them at a low populace.

Damokles

I would be okay with trials as long as they are:
1. in a small training room like dojo to test out the gameplay
2. cant whisper/trade/interact with any other account

Snarkotics

I dont think is a big issue. I never really liked the subscription model but if this is what the devs think is best i have no problem throwing 15 bucks a month. Basically a bigger order from mc donalds

Pandium

Up to lvl 10 and restrict trade and all chats except local. Then, what about possible queue?

BobzUrUncle

No F2P.

stolyaR

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

No F2P.

Did you read the post?

BobzUrUncle

stolyaR wrote: »

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

No F2P.

Did you read the post?

The title asks: Subscription or F2P
I answered.

And F2P is not worth what it costs.

Hurf Derfman

stolyaR wrote: »

TAKE IT EASY!!! I'LL PAY THE SUBSCRIPTION NO MATTER WHAT!!!
BUT.

I think It can be an issue for many people to start paying from day one without actually touch and feel the game.
(I know I know you don't need to buy the game and its huge but still.....)

I think DEVS must think of many different ways to drag people in.
Like:

"Free Saturday":
Try to catch gamers while they at home and give them the opportunity to get into the game.
If they will like it they will subscribe.

"Play free until level 10 or 15 with restrictions on trade and chat":
In that case people will start, create an character, see and feel the game.
After that they will have something in AoC world that can bring them back any time.

"Watching AoC streams gives you a key to try the game for 3 days"
(Valorant developers did something like that)
(limited amount per Twitch account)"

After that you can give them:
"Watching AoC streams gives you some tokens to extend the subscription period.
(limited amount in month per account)"

"Friend invite reward":
That idea taken from real world head hunters.
Once you inviting a friend and he gets he gets one month or less of free play time.
After his grace period if he stays in the game you as a inviter gets a extension of you subscription for every 10 level your friend gets.

"Pay subscription with in game currency"
Cons: Paying sub with ingame currency heavily encoureges RMT which we can agree is really bad.

I really want Ashes of Creation to succeed!!!
I don't want to see another ambitious project to disappear
(like Wildstar they also started with subscription and after that turn to F2P but it was too late and we all know where they are now.)

Please share you ideas guys of how to bring more people in and make AoC a huge game.

Ahoy there fellow Carpenter, rest easy friend there's no box price just a subscription price. I'm not saying you're ideas are bad but damn it man let this thing breathe and come out first. 😆😉

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