How dificult will open-world mobs be?

Will mobs in the open-world be solo-able or will they require more than one player to take them down?
I would also like to here everyone's opinion on whether or not open-world mobs should be solo-able or require a group. Thanks!

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Katak

I am sure it that the difficulty will depend on the mob, but I am guessing that most will be solo-able. Think of them as mobile resource nodes that fight back. The main point in killing them is to obtain leather, meat, and satisfaction.

There will likely be tougher ones that require a group to take down, but I think players will eventually find a way to solo these as well.

Like most of the comments and discussions on these forums, this is only speculation at this point.

Wandering Mist

In a straight up 1v1 fight I imagine most normal mobs will be solo'able. Of course there is no guarantee you'll be in a 1v1 fight. So really, a better question would be how close together the mobs will be to each other.

ariatras

They'll be easy. I base this on nothing concrete. It's a feeling. But I prefer expecting the worst. That way I can only get pleasantly surprised.

daveywavey

Katak wrote: »

I am sure it that the difficulty will depend on the mob, but I am guessing that most will be solo-able. Think of them as mobile resource nodes that fight back. The main point in killing them is to obtain leather, meat, and satisfaction.

There will likely be tougher ones that require a group to take down, but I think players will eventually find a way to solo these as well.

Like most of the comments and discussions on these forums, this is only speculation at this point.

This. They're not going to want to make playing solo undoable, but they're also not going to want to let the best stuff be soloable.

Damokles

Vhaeyne

The only two games I can think of where mobs were a challenge were FFXI and Tera. FFXI was built around a party grind, so doing anything with less that 5 people past level 10 was normally a chore. I don't think this will be the case for AoC, but I would welcome it because it makes leveling a more social experience.

Tera had the BAMs, where were soloable, but not easily for every class at every level. I liked this system too because the BAMs were like mini bosses that you could grind to level.

I have not seen any indication that AoC is doing anything special with world mobs. I would hope that at least open world dungeon mobs require a group. Maybe even a raid?

Damokles

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The only two games I can think of where mobs were a challenge were FFXI and Tera. FFXI was built around a party grind, so doing anything with less that 5 people past level 10 was normally a chore. I don't think this will be the case for AoC, but I would welcome it because it makes leveling a more social experience.

Tera had the BAMs, where were soloable, but not easily for every class at every level. I liked this system too because the BAMs were like mini bosses that you could grind to level.

I have not seen any indication that AoC is doing anything special with world mobs. I would hope that at least open world dungeon mobs require a group. Maybe even a raid?

AION could be challenging for certain classes at the release of the game, but they scaled down the difficulty massively over the years.

Vhaeyne

Damokles wrote: »

AION could be challenging for certain classes at the release of the game, but they scaled down the difficulty massively over the years.

I never soloed in Aion. I played a cleric, and had a templar, and sorc with me at almost all times. I remember our little leveling static being very effective. Especially after we had a spirit-master (the pet class, unsure of the name) join us near cap.

Damokles

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Damokles wrote: »

AION could be challenging for certain classes at the release of the game, but they scaled down the difficulty massively over the years.

I never soloed in Aion. I played a cleric, and had a templar, and sorc with me at almost all times. I remember our little leveling static being very effective. Especially after we had a spirit-master (the pet class, unsure of the name) join us near cap.

Yeah I soloed everything until lvl 50 or something like that as a Gladiator and then as a Chanter.
Glad could stun lock most enemies in a 1v1 but got reckt by more than 3 adds at once, while Chanter could just go on and on.

Gizban

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The only two games I can think of where mobs were a challenge were FFXI and Tera. FFXI was built around a party grind, so doing anything with less that 5 people past level 10 was normally a chore. I don't think this will be the case for AoC, but I would welcome it because it makes leveling a more social experience.

I'm hoping for solo content for those times you don't want to be sociable, AND benefits/perks to going at it in a team.

I usually roll two chars at the start: one healer and one a solo bash-em type, so I can play whatever suits me at that time. Some times you don't have time to play in a group, and need some solo content so you can stop at anytime.

Vhaeyne

pyreal wrote: »

I'm hoping for solo content for those times you don't want to be sociable, AND benefits/perks to going at it in a team.

I usually roll two chars at the start: one healer and one a solo bash-em type, so I can play whatever suits me at that time. Some times you don't have time to play in a group, and need some solo content so you can stop at anytime.

This is one area MMOs can have a ton of flexibility with without breaking the concept of the game. Their are not much details on this, for AoC, but the elites could very well feel like elites, and drive a need to socialize and party. I can't think of too many games that got this wrong. WOW as a current example, elite are often a joke, sometimes you can kill them before you notice the gold dragon on their HP bar...

I wish you luck on running two characters. I plan on focusing on one char myself.

Lore Dynamic

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The only two games I can think of where mobs were a challenge were FFXI and Tera. FFXI was built around a party grind, so doing anything with less that 5 people past level 10 was normally a chore.

Except for Beastmasters!

Woot, BST are BEST!

George_Black

I believe that solo xp should be viable from lv 1 to lv 30. Obviously group xp would be better.

From lv 30 to 40 solo xp should return small gains while mobs are kinda harder.
40+ should be small or full group only.

There should be solo and group monsters for all lvs, but for 40+ the solo mob xp return should be extremelly unsatisfying.

I am of the opinion that an open world mmorpg should focus on group adventure and hostile player encounters for ground control, not casual solo singplayer rpg style.

shadiss

It could be even easier than that where multiple mobs are killable at a time. More like BDO style where you can kite and kill multiple enemies in a row. I suppose my preference would have to depend on the intelligence of the enemy. I like soloing some enemies in New World, but I also liked soloing multiple regular mobs without complicated AI in BDO.

George_Black

shadiss wrote: »

It could be even easier than that where multiple mobs are killable at a time. More like BDO style where you can kite and kill multiple enemies in a row. I suppose my preference would have to depend on the intelligence of the enemy. I like soloing some enemies in New World, but I also liked soloing multiple regular mobs without complicated AI in BDO.

I dont like complicated AI at all when it comes to mobs.
I prefer the simple high HP/def mob that when I fight it I dont wanna aggro a second one.
I like the sinple hard hitting low HP mob with a stun attack.

I even like pulling many mobs together, high or low hp, when Im with my group.

But when I played BDO something bothered me about the 50 mobs, blending one inside other that proved 0 challenge when I was soloing them. I didnlt like bdo mobs.

insomnia

I recall it has been said, it will depend on the class/build.

Dygz

Ashes has solo content, so yes, some open-world mobs will be solable.

Ashes has very few instances, so... there will be plenty of open-world mobs that require more than one player-character to defeat.

Roko

From what I've seen in the current alpha common wild creatures or mobs seem to be waaaay too easy to the point I feel like it's more efficient to solo than group when out there in the wilds. Not just for experience but also for certificates. Does anyone think this is going to be made harder in the future?

Azherae

Ashes does not intend to implement any battle scaling, as of now

This means that open world mobs actually have a difficulty cap.

It's very difficult if not impossible to make them actually be harder as singles, without level based scaling of some form, especially since the game has level based exp-reward scaling.

It's sitting in a 'Hybrid' space between FFXI and BDO as a result and therefore a cap exists.

The enemy is a threat when it can take your health faster than you can take its health. Cleric healing is so powerful that only Cleric MP pools and their focus, matter for most enemies. An enemy would have to have enough output to cleave 40% or more health off a non-tank with every swing, to make the Cleric cooldowns and actual Tank skill matter instead, and at the same time, enough health to require 3+ DDs to kill it before the Cleric runs out of mana.

knickii

There are mobs with a + behind their name. Some tied to quest chains, that will require a group for that quest level. Tried to solo one and it wasn't possible.

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