Lore Discussion - Rogue Ancients

If you haven't caught up with the recent lore reveals the Ancients are basically the ones that introduced The Corruption and are the primary antagonists of Ashes of Creation.

Surely there's a rebel, or rebels, among the Ancients that seeks to work against them and thus with you to reclaim the world.

To make a comparison with World of Warcraft, even the 'evil' races had factions among them that would work with the Horde or Alliance. Primary examples being the demons working with Illidan and of course the Forsaken undead that works with the Horde.

Even the Dreadlords that seem to be born evil or something work against each other from time to time. Whereas the Ancients in Ashes of Creation are said to have developed a strong sense of pride and ambition that's not exactly evil and would also cause what I've suggested which is a rogue faction.

I'm not expecting them to become a playable race but a faction you can work with and raise reputation and rewards with. They wouldn't necessarily be on your side per say but you can learn to work together regardless.

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daveywavey

Dygz wrote: »

Seems to me that an Ancient who works against the Ancients would no longer be Corrupt - and therefore would not be an Ancient anymore.

They were The Ancients before The Others taught them about the Essence. They just became the "evil corrupted" Ancients after that. So, surely one who rejects/beats the corruption would still be an Ancient, they just wouldn't be an "evil corrupt" one.

Sathrago

daveywavey wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Seems to me that an Ancient who works against the Ancients would no longer be Corrupt - and therefore would not be an Ancient anymore.

They were The Ancients before The Others taught them about the Essence. They just became the "evil corrupted" Ancients after that. So, surely one who rejects/beats the corruption would still be an Ancient, they just wouldn't be an "evil corrupt" one.

This is quite literally a case of spoiled children going through a divorce and mommy says they can have whatever they want while dad tries to keep them in check causing the kids to like mommy more than dad. Then separation happens and they go with mommy because they tried to light dad's hair on fire for not giving them an allowance.

rikardp98

I think a pretty good example where evil forces may not always mean the person is evil is star wars and darth vader. Anakin used the dark side of the force, and became "corrupt". But he never did it because he was a evil person, and in the end he saved the galaxy because of the good in his heart.

I don't think all the Ancient are inherently bad, they were created from ALL the different gods, both the "good" and the "bad". Yes they may have become corrupt but that doesn't mean they are "pure evil" entities.

I think @Shenan made a great comment and I totally agree with it.

Dygz

daveywavey wrote: »

They were The Ancients before The Others taught them about the Essence. They just became the "evil corrupted" Ancients after that. So, surely one who rejects/beats the corruption would still be an Ancient, they just wouldn't be an "evil corrupt" one.

If that's the case, it sounds like they need to remain Corrupt in order to stay "alive".
So...there would not be an Ancient whom Non-Corrupt people would support.

Nagash

*sigh*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvqbYaFHGSM

Puck_Goodfellow

Sathrago wrote: »

Lore Dynamic wrote: »

Evil is just a matter of perspective.

I'm sure that those whom are considered "evil" by some group of people, aren't by another. And especially from the point of view of the individual being called "evil." Perhaps from their perspective, they are doing the right and good thing. The things that make the most sense to them, to accomplish the greater goal.

Consider Thanos.
Sure, from the majority of the galaxy's point of view, he was evil. Trying to kill a vast number of the populous with the Infinity Gauntlet. But there was those that still followed him and believed in his cause. And he himself (from his point of view) wasn't trying to do something 'evil' ..he believed, at his very core, that he was Saving the universe/galaxy/future by using the gauntlet.

Good & Evil are just a matter of perspective.
Neither actually exist.

Except this is a fantasy world where there is this magical negative essence that makes you literally evil. I don't think there's much more to read into than that. The whole premise is that they nearly destroyed the world once and are now coming back to try and finish the job.

Thing's can actually be black and white in a fantasy world and I am fine with that.

We don't know enough about essence to understand what's going on. Remember the gods themselves used essence to create the races and the world(s). It doesn't seem to be a case of arcane vs. fel magic, at least not yet.

So far it just seems like a tool which can be used for good or ill. It would be like saying their's an evil electricity that if you use you become evil. Again, at least according to current revealed lore.

Nuclear power can be used for good or you can create a bomb. Chemistry can be used to save lives and it can create mustard gas. It's all about how you use it.

Yes it's a fantasy setting but from what's revealed so far the Corruption is a magical dirty bomb. Simply using essence CANNOT make you corrupt or evil otherwise the seven 'good' gods would be corrupt and 'evil' according to the setting's current lore. And that fact cannot change without overhauling the entire setting.

If Steve reveals differently it's poor writing by not staying internally consistent. Even a fantasy setting has to follow it's own revealed rules or it's just BAD writing.

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