Never a more wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy... Should Devs show some love to Corrupted Players?

While we all agree, becoming corrupted is bad. This is still a way of life for some people. I don't think the developers should take away all thier options. If you risk much, there should be a chance for reward.

Perhaps allowing corrupted node development. Not as a main node, but maybe a vassal or secret node that can only go to a certain max level, and maybe only 1 or 2 of them allowed per continent and/or being available on the ocean.

This will give corrupted players a place to go instead of being anathema from any population center in the game. The NPC's in these nodes are of course shady and likely all scum as well, so they wouldn't be giving the best deals to players selling loot. However there could also be a black markets and shady quests in this location too.

The guards here won't attack corrupted players, but would attack any players engaged in a fight (like trying to claim a bounty) against corrupted players.

This place could even sell(not cheaply)/and/or offer quests for special potions/drugs that could temporarily stave off the stat weakening from being corrupted and/or their recipes... it wouldn't prevent the equipment drop on death, but it would temporarily prevent you from becoming to weak to defend yourself or beat up monsters to lower your corruption, etc..

Another potion idea would be one that dampens the mini-map notification for being corrupted. It would still show people there was someone corrupted in the area, just not exactly where they were / who they were.

Maybe even giving Corrupted nodes an advanced Thieves/Assassins guild that isn't available elsewhere.

What do you guys think? Anyone else have any ideas?

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Noaani

The idea with being corrupt is that you are supposed to work it off - it is not a state you are supposed to remain in for an extended period of time.

Having a node dedicated to a player character status that temporary doesn't seem like something that could work.

Sathrago

I think creating an "rp" bad guy node or social organization to rank up in could be interesting. Tie it into attacking caravans, both land and sea, and find some other activities to make it work within the consensual forms of pvp in the game.

So maybe an "outlaw" node could have events like the "purge" where attacking other players in the node is "legal" for the duration. Basically the node becomes a battleground where everyone is flagged as a combatant for the duration of the purge.

They could make certain certificates illegal within other nodes that have a high profit margin if taken to an outlaw node to be sold to the "black market" npcs at the risk of being attacked by a ton of bandits.

Outlaw citizens can be killed for their heads and taken back to other nodes for a "bounty". This would bring many players to come pvp during purges as well as defending caravans for some extra profit via killing these outlaw citizens.

These are just a few ideas off the top of my head, what do you think?

Wandering Mist

The way the current system is set up, I doubt there will be many corrupted players at all. In order to become corrupted you have to kill a non-combatant, but there's really no benefit to being a non-combatant over being a combatant due to the death penalties. So if everyone is a combatant, nobody will become corrupted. Maybe I'm missing something here....

daveywavey

No.

Nerror

I understand the thought behind it. But no. I don't want corruption to be sought after as a playstyle by some. It defeats its core purpose.

Caeryl

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The way the current system is set up, I doubt there will be many corrupted players at all. In order to become corrupted you have to kill a non-combatant, but there's really no benefit to being a non-combatant over being a combatant due to the death penalties. So if everyone is a combatant, nobody will become corrupted. Maybe I'm missing something here....

Some players won’t fight back on principal.
Some players will take the loss of some resources so they can have an instant port back to a safe-ish area.
Some players will be caught afk and die.
Some groups will have the coordination to 100-0 a player before they can flag.
Some players will let themselves die when they have no resources to lose.

There’s not much incentive to die green, but there are a few reasons someone might.

Nerror

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The way the current system is set up, I doubt there will be many corrupted players at all. In order to become corrupted you have to kill a non-combatant, but there's really no benefit to being a non-combatant over being a combatant due to the death penalties. So if everyone is a combatant, nobody will become corrupted. Maybe I'm missing something here....

I would 100% let them get corruption at the expense of a higher death penalty. I would have to be carrying some real high end stuff in order to be flagged, and that would only happen in a group scenario anyway.

That's assuming corruption actually has some bite to it of course. If it doesn't, it's a failed mechanic anyway.

akabear

Caeryl wrote: »

Some players won’t fight back on principal.
Some players will take the loss of some resources so they can have an instant port back to a safe-ish area.
Some players will be caught afk and die.
Some groups will have the coordination to 100-0 a player before they can flag.
Some players will let themselves die when they have no resources to lose.
There’s not much incentive to die green, but there are a few reasons someone might.

Some player killers will place stick looking items from their inventory (such as arrows) on the body of the player they killed to make a campfire and dance on the body
Some player killers will go hide in the shadows nearby waiting until someone comes to resurrect the player and kill them too
Some player killers will move to the next zone and kill a few more before returning
Some player killers will run to the side, log-off, long on an alt, scout, and then rinse and repeat
Some player killers will go red and then get immediately killed and lose their gear and plead for it back

Warth

FuryBladeborne

@Pannath
Corruption is a deterrent and won't be turned into a reward system as that would encourage the exact action being deterred.

The reasoning for the need of the corruption system:
You can kill as many people in open world (and just about anywhere) as you want to. If you kill players that are reasonably around your level, you probably won't go red. If you hit an occasional player that won't fight back, you can just wait a short time to let the corruption go away and continue.

Steven has said that the intended balance is that players should be able to overcome up to a 10 level difference by skilled play. 15 levels may be possible but very difficult. Attacked players are essentially paid to fight back due to half penalty for losing; or, gaining drops from the attacker for winning. Combine the potential for level difference to be overcome and being paid to fight should result in most players around your level will fight and not give you corruption.

Go nuts. PvP everywhere against players that stand a chance is virtually unrestricted by the game.

If you have gone to very corrupted, you have murdered many people that did not fight back which is probably players that are much lower level than you. If your playstyle is to murder low levels endlessly, you are not being catered to.

So, if you turn the corruption system into some kind of reward or beneficial social system, then the corruption system encourages murdering many players that are much lower level than the corrupted and defeats the purpose of corruption.

Sathrago

Hm. I thought it was clear the OP wanted a "bad guy" faction of players. Sure, no to corruption support, but the sentiment most likely still stands. It doesnt have to be based on corruption guys.

Nagash

Corruption thread number 2918

Dygz

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The way the current system is set up, I doubt there will be many corrupted players at all. In order to become corrupted you have to kill a non-combatant, but there's really no benefit to being a non-combatant over being a combatant due to the death penalties. So if everyone is a combatant, nobody will become corrupted. Maybe I'm missing something here....

The benefit is curbing others from interrupting my play session.
It's just the normal death penalty for me and Corruption for them. That's plenty of incentive for me.
Kill me once very quickly and then I can get back to doing whatever I as doing quickly.
Rather than engaging in an activity I'm not in the mood for just because some other player wants to force me into an activity they love.

Flagging just encourages people to force me into that activity with no penalty.

Bricktop

Dygz wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The way the current system is set up, I doubt there will be many corrupted players at all. In order to become corrupted you have to kill a non-combatant, but there's really no benefit to being a non-combatant over being a combatant due to the death penalties. So if everyone is a combatant, nobody will become corrupted. Maybe I'm missing something here....

The benefit is curbing others from interrupting my play session.
It's just the normal death penalty for me and Corruption for them. That's plenty of incentive for me.
Kill me once very quickly and then I can get back to doing whatever I as doing quickly.
Rather than engaging in an activity I'm not in the mood for just because some other player wants to force me into an activity they love.

Flagging just encourages people to force me into that activity with no penalty.

Corruption exists to prevent PK sprees on lowbies for the most part. I would say the devs want people actively PvPing which is why there's less of a death penalty for dying as a flagged player. @Wandering Mist is correct in saying there most likely won't be many reds so long as the devs properly incentivize dying as a flagged player by making sure the numbers are correct and it's time consuming to climb out of exp debt. The "Normal death penalty" should take a lot of time and effort to clear off of you. Fighting back should be a players best option in all scenarios that even have a 1% chance of you coming out with a victory to avoid (hopefully) painful death penalties. It makes for a better more interesting game that comes with those kinds of player driven interactions and server politics that can stem from them.

Sure someone can be "that guy" and never fight back and always let someone go red, but most likely this will be an extremely small minority of players if flagging is incentivized correctly. If the death penalties aren't painful for greens and the meta game becomes "Stand here and let the enemy go red on me" for a very large portion of the playerbase the game is not going to do well. PvP is the lifeblood of an open world game. Imagine a world where nobody PvPs over world bosses, instead choosing to always let the other guild go red to try and come back and kill them while they are stat dampened for free gear. Doesn't sound very fun or exciting.

In regards to the OP, it's doubtful Corruption is going to be much of a playstyle to be encouraged. It's more of a tool to help you get ahead in certain situations that don't pop up often. Anybody constantly going red is going to lose all their gear pretty quickly (and most likely killing low levels).

daveywavey

I'm green.
Someone attacks me.
I've got about 20 seconds to destroy every resource I have in my inventory before they kill me.
They go red, and get no resources.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If I can't have them, NO-ONE WILL!!!

Sathrago

daveywavey wrote: »

I'm green.
Someone attacks me.
I've got about 20 seconds to destroy every resource I have in my inventory before they kill me.
They go red, and get no resources.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If I can't have them, NO-ONE WILL!!!

Hotfix: You cannot delete items while in combat.

T Elf

Corruption is a PUNISHMENT, so no, they are not going to help or reduce penalities; it's meant to be harsh.

Wandering Mist

Caeryl wrote: »

Wandering Mist wrote: »

The way the current system is set up, I doubt there will be many corrupted players at all. In order to become corrupted you have to kill a non-combatant, but there's really no benefit to being a non-combatant over being a combatant due to the death penalties. So if everyone is a combatant, nobody will become corrupted. Maybe I'm missing something here....

Some players won’t fight back on principal.
Some players will take the loss of some resources so they can have an instant port back to a safe-ish area.
Some players will be caught afk and die.
Some groups will have the coordination to 100-0 a player before they can flag.
Some players will let themselves die when they have no resources to lose.

There’s not much incentive to die green, but there are a few reasons someone might.

Even if a player has no interest in doing any PvP whatsoever, they are still better off flagging themselves as a combatant (which you can do manually afaik) because the death penalties are the same for both PvP and PvE deaths. Now, if Intrepid change it so that the death penalties for PvE are different to PvP, then that's a whole different situation. But then again if they do that they are opening up a a huge can of worms when it comes to deciding whether a death was caused by PvP or PvE.

Sathrago

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Even if a player has no interest in doing any PvP whatsoever, they are still better off flagging themselves as a combatant (which you can do manually afaik)

OH GOD DON'T SAY THAT DON'T SAY THAT!!!!

Jahlon

Pannath wrote: »

While we all agree, becoming corrupted is bad. This is still a way of life for some people. I don't think the developers should take away all thier options. If you risk much, there should be a chance for reward.

Perhaps allowing corrupted node development. Not as a main node, but maybe a vassal or secret node that can only go to a certain max level, and maybe only 1 or 2 of them allowed per continent and/or being available on the ocean.

This will give corrupted players a place to go instead of being anathema from any population center in the game. The NPC's in these nodes are of course shady and likely all scum as well, so they wouldn't be giving the best deals to players selling loot. However there could also be a black markets and shady quests in this location too.

The guards here won't attack corrupted players, but would attack any players engaged in a fight (like trying to claim a bounty) against corrupted players.

This place could even sell(not cheaply)/and/or offer quests for special potions/drugs that could temporarily stave off the stat weakening from being corrupted and/or their recipes... it wouldn't prevent the equipment drop on death, but it would temporarily prevent you from becoming to weak to defend yourself or beat up monsters to lower your corruption, etc..

Another potion idea would be one that dampens the mini-map notification for being corrupted. It would still show people there was someone corrupted in the area, just not exactly where they were / who they were.

Maybe even giving Corrupted nodes an advanced Thieves/Assassins guild that isn't available elsewhere.

What do you guys think? Anyone else have any ideas?

The answer to this is a resounding NO!

There are two ways of life you are trying to blend into one: Thieves and Murders

You can feel free to steal from people all day long if you are stealing from their caravans. A caravan is a consensual rolling PvP zone.

Now, you say "instead of being anathema from any population center" this is EXACTLY what being corrupted is.

Corruption is an infection. It is a madness. It is what drove men and women to kill each other in the final days of the Exodus. It's why when those individuals who were in the slipstream to Sanctus when the corruption touched the divine gate and got slingshotted back to Verra took up arms against each other. (Battle Royale Lore).

Corruption isn't the Pirate Faction from Archeage. You are a Pirate, I'm a Pirate let's be pirates together. No. Corruption is madness. You wouldn't form a corrupted Node, because you would be just as interest in killing everyone there and burning it all down as you would burning down the rest of the world.

People need to stop trying to blend Criminals and Corrupted into one pot. Steal all day, that's totally valid. Murder Greens who don't want to PvP, that's not encouraged, which is why the corrupted will never get any "love" from the developers. It's a punishment. It's DESIGNED to be a punishment.

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