Daily quests, yes or no?

Inspired by the login rewards thread, what do you guys think about daily quests?

I am a little torn here.

On the one hand, I really don't want the generic, same 10, 15, 25 daily quests we know from a lot of MMOs. It's really just a sign the game lacks quality content, and it has that same shitty skinner box feel to it, if the rewards are worth it. I hate games where you end up disliking the gameplay (like repetitive dailies), to get a reward you feel you need to stay competitive.

Even worse is when developers only look at the metrics, and see that a lot of players do the daily quests, and interpret that as players also liking the daily quests. No, people do boring shit for rewards all the time (it's called a boring, shitty workday for money). I don't ever want AOC to feel like a boring, shitty workday to get the rewards I want or need.

On the other hand, we know there are social organizations in the game, as well as religions. They have ranks, and there is a competitive element to those ranks. Only one person can be at the top at any given time, at least for the religions.

Let's say you go to the temple and you sign up to be a follower of that religion. There is an inter-organization quest line that can advance and rank and title and only one person can be the leader for a period of time. If they advance all the way to the top. So like during sieges they'll have special benefits like they can you know grant divine prayer buff to allies within x amount of distance of them during the siege. - Steven Sharif

Even if there is a main questline for each religion, at some point it ends, and I don't really see an option other than daily quests, if you want to stay or move to number 1 in the ranks. Maybe a mob grind of a specific enemy of that religion, or gold donation/tithe can work as well I suppose. Any of you know of a game where they have this figured out in a fun way?

I think we are going to get some daily quests in AOC, in some form or another. My hope is that they make the pool of quests really big, and randomize them every day. Maybe that can alleviate some of the suck.

Edit: Actually, my real hope is that they either drop that competitive element of the religion-ranking altogether, or at least make it not dependent on any daily quests.

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Varkun

Honestly no I do not want to see daily quests but I can't help but feel there may be some form of repeatable quests to help grind out reputation with various organisations within Verra. If there are repeatable quests the rewards for such quests need to be in line with other non repeatable quests. The problem with daily quests tends to be that the rewards are so good that you feel obligated to do them or you will miss out on the resources they provide, resources that are either hard or impossible to obtain through other in game means.

Honestly you should login to Verra and then decide what you feel like doing today not feel an obligation to repeat the same quest every single day.

Nerror

Been thinking more on it, and there is one type of daily quest I wouldn't mind, and that is a gold reward for helping to build up the node you live in. Or provide materials for upkeep.

Getting people in the habit of actually supporting their node, instead of passively leeching, is only a good thing I think.

Any daily quests that aren't node related should probably not exist I think. Like for rank gain with the religions, that shouldn't be quest based after the initial questline, but based on killing or donating stuff. Letting the highest ranks go to those that can put in the most effort makes sense.

CROW3

Yeah, that’s where I would want this to go as well. Such as the faction effort for opening the AQ gates, but for node progression. Not sure if it has to be a quest, but maybe a daily max on contribution of max material / components with a reward of crafting recipes / freehold upgrades / gold etc.

Nerror

Perhaps making it a weekly quest, or max as you suggested, is better. More fair for those who can't play everyday.

maouw

If you have to rely on dailies to keep your community engaged you're doing something wrong.

Like WanderingMist said, thinly veiled psychological manipulation. SHOO!
To the hardcore players: forced to do the dailies because they're more efficient that anything else in the game
To the casuals: literally repeat the same quests and get bored. Give them something that accumulates instead.

Thedeadnight

George Black wrote: »

For the religious and scientific node there can be 2 unique resources, like:
scroll of knowledge
torn page from holy/dark book

that can be looted from environments that a scholar or a scientist would adventure.

No daily required, just go and look for them if you want to help your node.

I agree, want to be the most religious guy on the server? Go kill 40k zombies every day to prove your devotion to your God.

neuroguy

The idea of having daily quests for social organizations is terrible for me, you would need to be more repeatable than daily to allow people to commit time and make the playstyle choice to prioritize it over other aspects of the game. Having daily quests for this stuff essentially locks you in to a static amount of reputation gained per day which is nonsense, which I believe you recognize based on the edit of the original post.

Without static hubs and fast travel, dailies cannot really be implemented in conventional ways otherwise you risk forcing people to coalesce around metros and cities and really make the rest of the world sparse and barren. I think this game should not further promote (there are already tons and tons of reasons to travel to and be around metros and big cities) aggregating around big hubs. Furthermore, having to go back to a hub just to grab your dailies without fast travel feels bad. Conventionally dailies also aggregate to some reward that could act as a catchup mechanic which doesn't sound very much aligned to most AoC philosophies we know of.

I think a good solution, one that would also work for the daily log-in rewards, is to just make some xp gained threshold where you get a generic reward for it. Similar to how mobas give you a reward for your first game and win or something that just happens by playing the game anyway. Gaining xp could be done through literally doing anything in game and would fill up a daily bar until some reward. You provide that incentive for people to remain active, you promote them to play the game the way they want to and all is well in the world. The only issue with this is afk farming like afk fishing which I would strongly recommend not provide xp if it is in the game. You should have some active variant of, for example, fishing that gains xp but afk variant should just give you the fish.

PlagueMonk

I wouldn't mind the odd 1 daily quest but I will be up front and give a big thumbs down in general.

Dailies are what drove me away from ESO. I would log in and after I completed all of my crafting dailies, rogue guild dailies, personal mob route for random drops, and then participated in the nightly world boss circuit, it was time for bed. So the only time I had to do anything else would be the weekends and even then I felt guilty if I went to PvP before I had done all those daily tasks. Hell I didn't even feel as if I was even PvEing because I feel that even PvE requires a certain challenge level which I was not experiencing. Really sucked the fun and motivation out of playing.

neuroguy

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I wouldn't mind the odd 1 daily quest but I will be up front and give a big thumbs down in general.

Dailies are what drove me away from ESO. I would log in and after I completed all of my crafting dailies, rogue guild dailies, personal mob route for random drops, and then participated in the nightly world boss circuit, it was time for bed. So the only time I had to do anything else would be the weekends and even then I felt guilty if I went to PvP before I had done all those daily tasks. Hell I didn't even feel as if I was even PvEing because I feel that even PvE requires a certain challenge level which I was not experiencing. Really sucked the fun and motivation out of playing.

I think this is actually a great point. Even though as @Wandering Mist said dailies give you something to do if you don't have much time to play, they also often feel mandatory and therefore burn into your time to play. Especially with no fast travel etc, if the dailies are location based they would then dictate where you go and as a result what you can do which would really take away from your autonomy in your play session. If there are dailies then I really think they should be location agnostic at the very least but also optimally task agnostic, again, just make it a xp threshold

Shinaso

No thank you

Noaani

neuroguy wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I wouldn't mind the odd 1 daily quest but I will be up front and give a big thumbs down in general.

Dailies are what drove me away from ESO. I would log in and after I completed all of my crafting dailies, rogue guild dailies, personal mob route for random drops, and then participated in the nightly world boss circuit, it was time for bed. So the only time I had to do anything else would be the weekends and even then I felt guilty if I went to PvP before I had done all those daily tasks. Hell I didn't even feel as if I was even PvEing because I feel that even PvE requires a certain challenge level which I was not experiencing. Really sucked the fun and motivation out of playing.

I think this is actually a great point. Even though as @Wandering Mist said dailies give you something to do if you don't have much time to play, they also often feel mandatory and therefore burn into your time to play. Especially with no fast travel etc, if the dailies are location based they would then dictate where you go and as a result what you can do which would really take away from your autonomy in your play session. If there are dailies then I really think they should be location agnostic at the very least but also optimally task agnostic, again, just make it a xp threshold .

Indeed.

This is why I think that *if* dailies are to be a thing, making them reward something that is non-unique to them, and that can be earned in greater quantities if you have more time is a good way to go.

This way, peoplewith limited window to play on a given day can do something productive, but if you have actual time to dedicate to playing the game on a different given day, you wouldn't even consider dailies.

Selo

Hell No!
If there is a time machine invented, stoping the person that invented daily quests should be among the top priorities

Vanqor

Similar to my response in the login reward thread: a resounding NO.

The reasons are the same. Dailies are mainly a manipulative technique to make you log in every day, to receive some sweet reward, even though you don't want to play. They have no place in a sandbox MMO.

As others have stated, they also "force" players into prioritizing them, as the rewards of the dailies are always better than "just playing". This is especially bad for casual players, and _will_ lead to people quitting the game.
Player B just logged in
Player A: "Hey, B! Wanna join for a dungeon?"
Player B: Sure, in 30 mins, gotta do my dailies first!
....

I do, however, make a distinction between "dailies", as described above, and repetetive tasks.

I expect there to be repetetive tasks/quests on timers in Ashes (for example the siege "quest", which is on cooldown). That is fine and expected based on the nature of the game, but as others have commented, it's important that players don't feel forced into doing them due to superior rewards, and don't overdo the number of them.

My dream is to be able to log into the game and do what I want, without feeling heavily penalized for not doing repetetive tasks.

Nagash

Huge No

Taraniss

Don't mind it if it is for a common goal amongst the node.

bloodprophet

Stumbled across this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smtPbfAaOtQ

The egg timer effect is a big reason why a lot of people don't like dailies and weekly quests. This also applies to the log in rewards as well. We all know someone in a game that has them. They log in collect and are gone till the next day. "Just in case" the game gets good enough to come back to.

Nerror

Yeah Kevin explains it well there I think.

I understand why the money guys at the game companies like the egg timer mechanics in a subscription based game, but I also think it's a system for short term gain and long term loss. 100% of development should go towards engaging content, and the players will stay for much longer in the long run.

Selo

Good vid. When it becomes a chore it just feels like a job.

ariatras

Hmmm. I know what you mean. Daily quests can be a drag. I remember being quite excited for Everquest Next. And one of the main reasons for me was the way they planned to design their AI.

(I know the game got canned. But it has some good next-gen ideas)

The way they explained it (in a nutshell) was that all NPCs (including monsters) were given a template for what type of monster they are their personality, needs in terms of food, racial goals personal goals. Based on this, the AI would make them behave certain ways. For example a group of Kobolds would have settled in the mountains, to farm its riches. Players get sent there to cull them until they leave. (First come, first serve) Because at some point, the danger of that particular area outweighs their need/want for ores/shinies.

In another example they used Orcish warbands, almost like a bandit type system. A town (or in Ashes's case node) would sent players to the standard areas, players would go to these areas. So there are roads where less people come. That's where they'd be.

Ashes lends itself to being a rather dynamic world, with the node system. If the creatures that aren't players can behave as dynamically. It would automatically create daily quests.

TheLegend27

Personally, I hate dailies. Make the game feel like a chore and removes the immersion/fun. There should be more than enough for me to do in game than just questing. E.g. I have a lot of housing goals I want to achieve. And general server-records I wish to set.

So I'll give a hard No to daily quests

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