Daily/Weekly Activities and Systems

Daily and weekly activities and systems are implemented for two reasons:
1. To time gate content so that players do not blow through it and thus continue playing the game for longer periods of time.
2. To keep a more equal playing field between players with lots of free time and players with little free time.

That being said, daily and weekly activities absolutely drain the joy out of MMORPGs. What started as an adventure and a world to explore ends up devolving into checklists and tasks that NEED to be completed for your character to progress. For example, take World of Warcraft and its newest Torghast system. It’s a roguelike dungeon that you need to complete on a weekly basis to upgrade your legendary items. Knowing that when you log in you cannot just go about your favorite activity, but instead you need to do your Torghast for the week to keep up, is a horrible feeling. That is just one example of such a system in modern WoW.

Please do not force us to partake in daily/weekly activities that we might not enjoy and that are required for progression. The point is that it does not feel good to want to play the game only to then remember that I have to do some random activity before I can do the things that I want to do.

Edit: I am aware that WoW and AoC have vastly different design philosophies and that therefore a system like Torghast would not fit well in AoC. However, I think that daily/weekly activities and systems could still creep into the game and have the same detrimental effects on the player's experience.

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Jeetoph

So far I can only copy what's written on the Wiki. The source dates back to 2017 though si i guess we will have to wait to know the details.

Noaani

Jeetoph wrote: »

So far I can only copy what's written on the Wiki. The source dates back to 2017 though si i guess we will have to wait to know the details.

Yeah, quoting from the wiki is all you can do.

It's a shame you haven't spent years listening to interviews, podcasts and livestreams to get more information, much as people like Vhaeyne have done.

Jeetoph

Noaani wrote: »

Jeetoph wrote: »

So far I can only copy what's written on the Wiki. The source dates back to 2017 though si i guess we will have to wait to know the details.

Yeah, quoting from the wiki is all you can do.

It's a shame you haven't spent years listening to interviews, podcasts and livestreams to get more information, much as people like Vhaeyne have done.

And yet so far my uneducated comments in this post brought more to the conversation than yours.

Sorry all ! I didn't know we had to have a degree in AoC-ology before commenting here. As I didn't know quoting the wiki whose source has a Discord screenshot of Steven saying exactly what I quoted has less value than something written by a member who spent years listening to interviews, podcasts and livestreams.

Mowaby

From what I have heard there will be a chance for bosses to drop completed gear but a higher chance for only materials to drop.

Noaani

Mowaby wrote: »

From what I have heard there will be a chance for bosses to drop completed gear but a higher chance for only materials to drop.

This is correct, but it is also true that of these two drops, the crafted item is likely to be better.

Jeetoph wrote: »

Sorry all ! I didn't know we had to have a degree in AoC-ology before commenting here. As I didn't know quoting the wiki whose source has a Discord screenshot of Steven saying exactly what I quoted has less value than something written by a member who spent years listening to interviews, podcasts and livestreams.

Actually, if you read that Discord quote, Steven is talking about where the best items in the game will come from. He said the best items in the game will be a combination of crafted and boss dropped - in other words, bosses will drop components (either directly or via the addition of gathering professions), and those materials will then be turned in to the best items in the game.

Also, if you paid attention to the other source from the small portion of the wiki you quoted, and actually listened to the video that it is from, you would have heard Jeff and Steven talking about the while thing for a few minutes.

But no, you pulled a wiki quote that had context that you don't understand, didn't bother doing any other research in to what you were saying, and decided to run with it without doing base level checking as to whether you understand things properly or not.

Then when it was somewhat politely pointed out to you that you may have missed something by someone that has spent a lot more time on the subject matter than you, you dismissed it without thought or care.

Good job!

That is why I came in as I did. You clearly aren't going to listen to politeness, so I didn't bother with it.

Point is, Steven has said many times that while there will be a *small* amount of completed items that bosses will drop, they will be rare, and they will not be as good as the items made from the crafting materials that bosses drop, generally speaking. It has been said that the finished items that drop are as intended to be something for players to break down as they are as something for players to use.

The reason for this is that raw materials are subject to potentially being lost if you are killed in PvP, whereas finished items only have a chance of being dropped if you have corruption. The idea is that if you have one or two boss dropped raw materials on you, you are far more likely to fight back in PvP as if you lose, fighting back means you are half as likely to lose those items.

This also adds the dynamic to raids where a guild can be successful, but until the raw materials are back home safely, there is a chance that a rival may be able to take some of the guilds hard earned loot.

Jeetoph

@Noaani Let me prove you how much information I gathered reading the wiki and the forums by not trying to engage a pointless debate with you

Vhaeyne

Noaani wrote: »

It's a shame you haven't spent years listening to interviews, podcasts and livestreams to get more information, much as people like Vhaeyne have done.

I would like to point out that I have a pretty large bias when I hear Steven mention anything about Lineage 2. There is a part of my brain I have to try and keep in check that thinks AOC is going to be Lineage 3.

It is a constant battle.

Cypher

In regards to having artificial barriers in the game, there should not be anything that gates people from leveling too quickly. The only barrier of any kind should be armor and weapon level requirements. Let people play how they want to play, when they want to play, for as long as they want to play.

Daily chore lists are disgusting in games.
Weekly chore lists are usually disgusting also. Just let people take quests off a notice board and that’s it.

Noaani

Jeetoph wrote: »

Noaani Let me prove you how much information I gathered reading the wiki and the forums by not trying to engage a pointless debate with you

You probably should have done that before your previous post in reply to me. That said, it is always smart to not engage in debate on a topic whe you are wrong.

I agree pointless debates are pointless. However, correcting people when they post either untrue or misleading comments about this game is not pointless.

The reason most gamers feel let down with games is because they have a skewed perspective of what that game is before buying it. This is usually because people share incorrect information, and all too often no one bothers to correct it, leading people to think that the incorrect information is in fact correct.

You shared something that was misleading, not that I assume you did it intentionally. Someone else corrected you, pointing out that what you said isn't strictly accurate. Your reply to that post left it in the air to anyone that may come along and read this as to whether you were right or not. All I did was clear that up for them.

You are welcome, by the way.

Jeetoph

Cypher wrote: »

In regards to having artificial barriers in the game, there should not be anything that gates people from leveling too quickly. The only barrier of any kind should be armor and weapon level requirements.

My thoughts exactly. I used the weekly barrier example because it’s the most common way in MMOs to slow down item level progression. AoC could use a far more interesting method. Since our action have consequences on the environment I would find it awesome if a dungeon/raid isn’t spammable to begin with. Like, if a group manages to kill a boss this dungeon will have a CD before we can enter it again. Although this would probably require more endgame content to give enough players the opportunity to raid. Just an idea

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