Is pk system OK?

No worries, as a prospective Bounty Hunter I hope we're on the same server

Hynu

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

I think you're projecting a personal view there buddy

No, he's not.

He basically just restated what Steven has said in the past.

Well, first off Atam didn't reference Steven, so that's another ball game and whilst I get it may be INTENDED to be a punishment, what I am saying is, there are some people that will enjoy it... if you can't understand that then I really don't know what else to say

There is no need to reference Steven with things that are generally well known.

Well without wanting to get into a disagreement, there is a need, as that changes it from your opinion to a quote of another... but hey whatever

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

I think you're projecting a personal view there buddy

No, he's not.

He basically just restated what Steven has said in the past.

Well, first off Atam didn't reference Steven, so that's another ball game and whilst I get it may be INTENDED to be a punishment, what I am saying is, there are some people that will enjoy it... if you can't understand that then I really don't know what else to say

There is no need to reference Steven with things that are generally well known.

Well without wanting to get into a disagreement, there is a need

No, there isn't.

Not for things that basic and well known.

I mean, it is literally only one step to go from having to reference Steven when saying corruption is not a desirable state to having to reference Steven when talking about the fact that this will indeed be an MMO.

Honestly, that aspect of corruption is fairly central to the PvP system. Steven has refuted several ideas in the past that could provide incentive for players to gain corruption, because there should be no upsides to it.

If you are unaware of aspects of the game to this level, rather than us having so reference such basic things, perhaps you should just assume others know what they are saying. Would be much easier for all involved.

Is there anywhere that looks at the 'punishment system' in depth? I can tell you now they tried a LOT of punishments as deterrents in UO 20+ years ago and all failed. Being killable by all? - travel in a group of killers using 'innocent alts' as spies. Stat loss for being a murderer should you die - 'innocent' healers of murderers, Bounty system - 'friends with bounty hunters kill murderer and collect then split rewards. The list goes on and on. Amazon gave up trying to come up with a way to handle it and just caved in to making a 'safe' game in new world, I'm really hoping the same does not happen here. I have no interest in griefing noobs, i'm not a child, but i want to retain the option to kill anyone deliberately trying to f things up for me and my team. NM let me go and read some more..

The Corruption System won't be removed, it might be adapted based on tests though. It is almost identical to Lineage 2 which went live with an almost identical system.

maouw

Just want to point out again that you can hunt other people as purples.
You are meant to hunt other people as purples.
There is no need to go red to fight other people.
Did I mention killing greens is not badass?

"Look at me. I killed a bunch of afkers/noobs. Be scared."
^
This is literally what corruption means.

maouw wrote: »

Just want to point out again that you can hunt other people as purples.
You are meant to hunt other people as purples.
There is no need to go red to hunt other people.
Did I mention killing greens is not badass?

"Look at me. I killed a bunch of afkers/noobs. Be scared."
^
This is literally what corruption means.

Whilst i agree that killing noobs is lame and small d energy it happens and only penalties strong enough to make doing so result in unfun gameplay thereafter will deter players. I have seen it in every open pvp game for 20 years. I don't have an easy answer for this, my fear is it hasn't been fully thought through with the lessons of the past 2 decades. I'm going to stop talking about it now, even a game that allows wholesale noob slaughter would not deter me as much as one that wraps people in cotton wool. I like to PvP

Ohh and 'You are meant to hunt other people as purples.
There is no need to go red to hunt other people' sounds absolutely awesome! I can't express how much i have missed a game where the endgame is pvp. Any dev who imagines their AI scripted endgame pve is a replacement has never played a good pvp game. player content always beats scripted

Neurath wrote: »

The Corruption System won't be removed, it might be adapted based on tests though. It is almost identical to Lineage 2 which went live with an almost identical system.

I never played any of the far eastern influenced games. was it fun?

The corruption systems/flagging system does not occur in Caravan PvP, Node Wars, Guild Wars, Node Sieges, Castle Sieges, Naval Combat in wide open sea (I believe), Trade Ship Raids and Arenas. Only in open world will you face Corruption mate.

ShadTM wrote: »

I never played any of the far eastern influenced games. was it fun?

Lineage 2 Combat was very static, the movement was based on mouse click locators and not free movement. The corruption system was the better part of Lineage 2. The problem was the combat and movement from my experience. I couldn't stomach the game for very long.

Neurath wrote: »

The corruption systems/flagging system does not occur in Caravan PvP, Node Wars, Guild Wars, Node Sieges, Castle Sieges, Naval Combat in wide open sea (I believe), Trade Ship Raids and Arenas. Only in open world will you face Corruption mate.

Thank you, that sounds great! I'm starting to get really hyped for AoC

Hynu

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

I think you're projecting a personal view there buddy

No, he's not.

He basically just restated what Steven has said in the past.

Well, first off Atam didn't reference Steven, so that's another ball game and whilst I get it may be INTENDED to be a punishment, what I am saying is, there are some people that will enjoy it... if you can't understand that then I really don't know what else to say

There is no need to reference Steven with things that are generally well known.

Well without wanting to get into a disagreement, there is a need

No, there isn't.

Not for things that basic and well known.

I mean, it is literally only one step to go from having to reference Steven when saying corruption is not a desirable state to having to reference Steven when talking about the fact that this will indeed be an MMO.

Honestly, that aspect of corruption is fairly central to the PvP system. Steven has refuted several ideas in the past that could provide incentive for players to gain corruption, because there should be no upsides to it.

If you are unaware of aspects of the game to this level, rather than us having so reference such basic things, perhaps you should just assume others know what they are saying. Would be much easier for all involved.

Sigh, the original point I was making was that players on an individual basis will want and enjoy being flagged....for all sorts of reasons beneficial or not... surely you grasp what I'm trying to say here or are you just arguing a moot point due to boredom or something?

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Hynu wrote: »

I think you're projecting a personal view there buddy

No, he's not.

He basically just restated what Steven has said in the past.

Well, first off Atam didn't reference Steven, so that's another ball game and whilst I get it may be INTENDED to be a punishment, what I am saying is, there are some people that will enjoy it... if you can't understand that then I really don't know what else to say

There is no need to reference Steven with things that are generally well known.

Well without wanting to get into a disagreement, there is a need

No, there isn't.

Not for things that basic and well known.

I mean, it is literally only one step to go from having to reference Steven when saying corruption is not a desirable state to having to reference Steven when talking about the fact that this will indeed be an MMO.

Honestly, that aspect of corruption is fairly central to the PvP system. Steven has refuted several ideas in the past that could provide incentive for players to gain corruption, because there should be no upsides to it.

If you are unaware of aspects of the game to this level, rather than us having so reference such basic things, perhaps you should just assume others know what they are saying. Would be much easier for all involved.

Sigh, the original point I was making was that players on an individual basis will want and enjoy being flagged....for all sorts of reasons beneficial or not... surely you grasp what I'm trying to say here or are you just arguing a moot point due to boredom or something?

Bounty hunters chasing you is such a small part of what it means to be corrupted that no - people wont gain corruption just so they can be chased.

It isn't worth the experience debt, material loss, item loss and inability to use node services.

If you specifically want people to chase after you, get yourself in to a guild war, or run a caravan.

Jamation

Hynu wrote: »

Sigh, the original point I was making was that players on an individual basis will want and enjoy being flagged....for all sorts of reasons beneficial or not... surely you grasp what I'm trying to say here or are you just arguing a moot point due to boredom or something?

While I didn't agree with the start of what triggered this conversation (about rewarding the hunted), I did understand the point that some people would have fun being chased.

I mean, the entire game of the children's game tag is the thrill of running away from the tagger and not being "it". So thinking in hypotheticals, yes I can see some people enjoying that every now and then.

Jamation wrote: »

I did understand the point that some people would have fun being chased.

Indeed, I'm not disputing that.

I'm just saying that there are better ways to go about it if that is the gameplay you are after.

Hynu

Noaani wrote: »

Jamation wrote: »

I did understand the point that some people would have fun being chased.

Indeed, I'm not disputing that.

I'm just saying that there are better ways to go about it if that is the gameplay you are after.

I'm not saying there isn't other/better ways to engage in bounties either Noaani, however some people, for whatever reason, will want to have corruption in play and be hunted... I for one won't be triggering the mechanism on purpose though that is for sure!!

I played Star Wars Galaxies aka SWG back in the day before Sony radically overhauled it; the Jedi bounty system was loads of fun, loved it both as a bounty hunter and a Jedi. It had no corruption attached to it however