This game looks awful, like gw2

Gw2 was acceptable for a time because it's different. Copying it's style is cringeworthy and this game is dead in the water. I feel very bad for the investors hiring copycat losers.

This is the worst signal the game industry can send to pc gamers.

colors oll over place, no understanding of lighting each outdoor object looks seperate. jumping around like a lunatic buffing and debufffing constantly. no connection with reality etc.

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consultant

Well the MMO market is kind of saturated and been lots of MMO over the years ....so really it would be extremely difficult to make an MMO without having it be like some other game. Kind of similar of me trying to come up with on orignal fire spell when there have been so many over the years.

But Here are some very important things to keep in mind about this game.

No instant que. And lot of content is going to be open world. Now no instant que does not sound very exciting because it is not exciting has tendency to ruin MMOs Had big threads on this.

No Fast travel and low flying. Again not very exciting but makes Game very immersive makes it feel like a world you can actual explore.

But one thing that I find very encouraging is that The Devs at Ashes of Creation are extremely passionate about what they are doing. ( In my opinion) Again not to exciting but Now days Many MMOs are like Boa Constricters that are wrapped around the players wallet trying to squeeze every last cent they can from them.
Yes money is important but Putting an earnest effort to make a excellent gameis essential, not just milking it till it dies.

If you really want to get technical well gold in this game is no different than gold in another game.
Really your post is kind redundant cause what seperates one MMO from another is the Differences not so much the likes.

As usually when read negatives post like this, my advice is well 15 dollars is a really small investment just give it a try nothing to lose.

daveywavey

consultant wrote: »

As usually when read negatives post like this, my advice is well 15 dollars is a really small investment just give it a try nothing to lose.

Absolutely!

Atama

The OP is hilarious.

Why not just say it looks like WoW or EQ if you want to make ridiculous comparisons? It looks nothing like GW2.

Volgaire

It's pretty obviously a post to rile people up and everyone is taking the bait.

Nerror

Gentle Snow wrote: »

It's pretty obviously a post to rile people up and everyone is taking the bait.

I dunno man, I think he has a point, except the game is copying WoW, not GW2. He's probably just young and doesn't know that World of Warcraft was the first MMORPG in existence. They pretty much invented elves and orcs and dwarves from scratch, and the whole online roleplaying experience in a shared persistent world. Everything else is really just derivatives of WoW.

Maezriel

daveywavey wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Not sure who i feel more sorry for, this cringeworthy troll or the people who try to engage with him.

I often wonder how many trolls there are, or if it's just the same one who keeps coming back.

You mean it's not just your alt accounts for when the forums get a little too quiet? Huh TIL :P

daveywavey

Maezriel wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Not sure who i feel more sorry for, this cringeworthy troll or the people who try to engage with him.

I often wonder how many trolls there are, or if it's just the same one who keeps coming back.

You mean it's not just your alt accounts for when the forums get a little too quiet? Huh TIL :P

I'm much too lazy for that! Hahahaha

uao

Wandering Mist wrote: »

Thankfully that's not how it works. Games development isn't linear with set stages that all take the same amount of time. Yes it has taken 4 years to get to this point but there are a few things to keep in mind:

1. When Intrepid first started they had 8 people in staff, whereas now they have close to 100, so the amount of time it takes to get things done is far faster now than it was back in 2017.
2. Games development is like building a house. You can't start just putting bricks together immediately. You need the tools and the cement first. Intrepid have spent a lot of time putting together these tools that will then be used to create the game. This foundation is hard to see from an outside perspective which is why the development may seem slow right now. However, once the tools are in place, the proper building can begin and production will appear to speed up.
3. It's not about "3 passes and then it's done". Instead things like the combat will be constantly iterated upon until the devs are happy with it. So when Steven says there will be a "combat revamp" it's much more about small changes that happen quite frequently over time rather than a single big overhaul.
4. Finally, yes intrepid are being as open as possible but that doesn't mean they are showing us everything. There is a ton of stuff that happens behind the scenes that we never see, so it's hard to get a good idea of how far the project is going from our perspective.

I hope that answers your questions. Of course, if you're still sceptical then that is fine. Steven himself has said it's fine to wait. The game is fully funded up until release so it will get here regardless of whether you support it or not. Just sit back and enjoy the ride

You do have a good point about the team beeing rather small initially.
Dont get me wrong i totally approve of stevens vision for the game, as u may see from my bow title i gave like 600€ to them after all. Though im not a person to just fanboy for anything so when i have a concern i will be vocal about it.
That intrepid would be very open about the development is repeated alot, but i think thats not really true. Its more like open political marketing, where they show alot of stuff and act vocal on social media on crucial timeframes ensuring everything will be great eventually but they actually dont really show anything solid at all.
We dont really have any idea what level of polish they aim for in all aspects of the game, some of the basic systems have been shown to us in a very rudimentary form, but it is that rudimentary everyone already knows what it means to have A combat system or A open world etc, so there isnt really any information we get about the finished game. The only things we can really estimate rn is how armor and houses for 3 base races will probably look like.
I understand that creating the backend system can take a lot of work, but not dozens of people over 4 years? I admit im not an expert in game development, but i have seen people design stuff in ue4 on youtube before. And honestly, i do not think what they have shown so far would take a pretty long time to make for a decent amount of people.
So we know something is not quite right,
either intrepid is actually not that open in its development, maybe they have too few people experienced working on backend stuff and until thats done, and people can actually publicly test, they just dont show directly game related systems which they already have created. Which would explain why its taking so long without presentable progress, and that would be totaly ok - if not for the fact they claim to have a very open development.
Or the other option is, they just work really slow overall, that could be because steven doesnt have quite enough experience to lead that many game developers to work efficiently, its his first time creating a game after all, and sadly that has very little to do with how great mmo ideas and intentions he has.

Either way im sure aoc is gonna be great eventually, if we can give them one thing, its that steven is really devoted to making this game, so he will find a way. Maybe it takes a long time, maybe they need to release early to get more money for further development, who knows, but it will get there.

i wrote too much, i have stuff to do...

Wandering Mist

@uao

No game can have truly "open" development for a couple of reasons:

1. The general public won't understand what is happening.
2. The company has to protect their assets from rival companies to a certain extent.

The majority of players don't know the first thing about programming so even if Intrepid wanted to, showing us all the code that is written on a daily basis would be pointless. What would the players do with that information without an intimate knowledge of how the systems work, or how to program in C++?

Yes, there are people who have built games very quickly in UE4, it's a fantastic platform. However, it is NOT very good for mmorpg development which is why a lot of mmorpg developers choose to make their own engine rather than using a pre-built one.

I truly don't believe Intrepid could show us much more of the development without getting into the realms of showing stuff the players simply wouldn't understand.

Lycancoffee

I like colorful surroundings. They make me happy, and they also make me feel extra awesome as I walk through them dressed all in black.

nousrna

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The game could look like ever quest 1 for all I care as long as the systems work as intended.

All explained in op and posts following.

Kikunojo wrote: »

What's with the gw2 hate? It was probably the most fun and social mmo I've ever played.

All explained in op and posts following.

So no likes and no people who were real pc gamers. Everyone are nugamers? This really is devastating for the industry.

A lot of hints were given in op and following posts. This isn't reddit where you downvote anyone who disagrees. You are used to ignoring robust criticism and you should be selfaware about that deficiency.

Go rereod the hints if you want answers

nousrna

Lycancoffee wrote: »

I like colorful surroundings. They make me happy, and they also make me feel extra awesome as I walk through them dressed all in black.

That doesn't make sense. If you like gothic style colourful surroundings don't by default go with that.

Maezriel

nousrna wrote: »

So no likes and no people who were real pc gamers. Everyone are nugamers? This really is devastating for the industry.

Dude what even is this question?

Vhaeyne

Maezriel wrote: »

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Dude what even is this question?

These are the ramblings of a one eyed mad man using google translate to attempt to troll.

bloodprophet

Like Davey said on one of the other troll threads "It's like they don't care or even try anymore."

Define this "So no likes and no people who were real pc gamers. Everyone are nugamers?"

Cause most of us are here for the MMORPG they put forward.
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Design_pillars

That said I'll hate on GW2 with you just not for the same reasons probably. The art design was/is ok there.
It is how ever not an MMO. It is a single player game with other people running around. Like so many other wanna be MMO's out there these days.

Decidendi

nousrna wrote: »

Gw2 was acceptable for a time because it's different. Copying it's style is cringeworthy and this game is dead in the water. I feel very bad for the investors hiring copycat losers.

This is the worst signal the game industry can send to pc gamers.

colors oll over place, no understanding of lighting each outdoor object looks seperate. jumping around like a lunatic buffing and debufffing constantly. no connection with reality etc.

You are super cringe my man, just get out already if you think Ashes is similar to Gw2.

Mushin

Man you guys are being nice, anyone other forum he'd be cussed out already.

Dreoh

mushin wrote: »

Man you guys are being nice, anyone other forum he'd be cussed out already.

That's because none of us want to foster a toxic community, though terrible trolls like OP do test that resolve

nousrna

Zyggi wrote: »

nousrna wrote: »

Gw2 was acceptable for a time because it's different. Copying it's style is cringeworthy and this game is dead in the water. I feel very bad for the investors hiring copycat losers.

This is the worst signal the game industry can send to pc gamers.

colors oll over place, no understanding of lighting each outdoor object looks seperate. jumping around like a lunatic buffing and debufffing constantly. no connection with reality etc.

You are super cringe my man, just get out already if you think Ashes is similar to Gw2.

If you notice i said cringeworthy first. two of you now are trying to use it against me. it's too late, now. also, none of you grasp the very obvious points i made in op and subsequent posts. none of you are aware of the history of pc gaming, otherwise you'd know what is meant when i said it's like blade and soul and gw2. these hints are all in op.

Wandering Mist

Well, I think this thread has just about run its course, so before it turns into an outright flame-fest I'm going to close it.

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