Should there be an outlaw town for Pkers?

Based on my time in the game UO, aka Ultima Online, where you had a PKer system where you went from grey to red. Grey being your open to attacks cause you killed someone or stole from someone, too red where you are just a killer, and you can enter any towns without being killed by guards.

Not sure if this topic was talked about, but I was thinking, why not have a town for the killers?

If not a town, then a caravan type, one they can be setup in hidden locations, and can grown to a level 2 or 3 only. This town needs to be one that can be taken down, and could be relocated to a different hidden location. One only known by a few PKers. A safe place for them to call home, and where they can sell or buy goods as needed.

Think of it as an outlaw town, one that could be moved after a day or two. A few tents and shacks and this can be a nice place for the villain type players. What do you think? Of course these type of camp towns wouldn't be allowed to be setup close to regular ones.

This is just a though, one I am floating out there, to see if others like it or not.

So what do you think? Please express yourself.

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Jam21

Rhuric wrote: »

You only go red for killing a green who doesnt fight back. They lose more if they don't fight back than if they defend themselves. If they fight back they're no longer green but purple and you won't become corrupted.

Emm and exactly what he loses if the dies as green? Will he lose less if he fight back?

Rhuric wrote: »

Killing a green is likely never going to be your only option.

Trust me it in most cases is. In games where killing someone inflicts more harm to the killer than to the victim, there is always the issue of people who are abusing that system.

Warth

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption

I'll just leave this here as it seems like some people need to take a look at that before spewing non-sense

Rhuric

Jam21 wrote: »

Rhuric wrote: »

You only go red for killing a green who doesnt fight back. They lose more if they don't fight back than if they defend themselves. If they fight back they're no longer green but purple and you won't become corrupted.

Emm and exactly what he loses if the dies as green? Will he lose less if he fight back?

Rhuric wrote: »

Killing a green is likely never going to be your only option.

Trust me it in most cases is. In games where killing someone inflicts more harm to the killer than to the victim, there is always the issue of people who are abusing that system.

Yes, he does lose less if he fights back. Purple flagged players lose only half xp/resources/certs. Green lose the full amount and red lose 4x.

Jam21

Warth wrote: »

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
I'll just leave this here as it seems like some people need to take a look at that before spewing non-sense

And what in there contradicts what I said? You gain corruption for killing players, It reduces you stats.

Accusing people of "spewing nonsence" when you can't even read is...well, I'd say an indicator of intellegence of modern gaming communities.

daveywavey

Jam21 wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_corruption
I'll just leave this here as it seems like some people need to take a look at that before spewing non-sense

And what in there contradicts what I said? You gain corruption for killing players, It reduces you stats.

Accusing people of "spewing nonsence" when you can't even read is...well, I'd say an indicator of intellegence of modern gaming communities.

Warth is one of the more Ashes-knowledgeable members of the community. Just have a read of the wiki.

Jam21

daveywavey wrote: »

Warth is one of the more Ashes-knowledgeable members of the community. Just have a read of the wiki.

And? I am not a stranger to this game concepts either, thank you. And perfectly know that. My point is 100% based on the current PK system (described at the link there), it is not wishful thinking.

Toxic elitist attitude will do you no good. It will only show people how bigoted and aggressive AoC community is.

daveywavey

Jam21 wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Warth is one of the more Ashes-knowledgeable members of the community. Just have a read of the wiki.

And? I am not a stranger to this game concepts either, thank you. And perfectly know that. My point is 100% based on the current PK system (described at the link there), it is not wishful thinking.

Toxic elitist attitude will do you no good. It will only show people how bigoted and aggressive AoC community is.

Mate, you didn't even know that Purple players dropped less loot than Green players.

Simmer down, slayer...

(and go read the wiki... PROPERLY)

Atama

Jam21 wrote: »

The announced mechanics of PK in AoC lead to reduction in stats where you kill players. This is ridiculous and dishonest - because not only dedicated PK's kill players (actually true PK will be maybe 0.1% of all people who kill players in world), e.g. you might have a pesky person who steal your mobs and dont listen to what you say, and killing him might be the only option, yet you get stat reduction for that...stupid. , but that is the system AoC currently have.

What's stupid is thinking that you "own" mobs. You don't. So the rest of your argument is nonsense.

If you don't have a mindset of greed and entitlement, you'll have a much easier time in a game world you share with other players.

Virtek

@granthor

I, for one, would love to see a form of this idea.
A travelling caravan that changes location every so often. A "neutral" town that doesn't outright kill corrupted players, but is also unkillable by the uncorrupted.

But...also...a giant and glorious steaming beacon of reward-fueled bounties for anyone (like me) that might be a member of the bount-hunting organization and looking for easy money.

"Hey.....HEY GUYS!! Get. over. here. NOW!!! I found the pay day caravan! There are at least 12 red dots on my map at the new location by the lake. I run in as soon as I have 10 people with me!"

Yup...I think I would love a place for corrupted poops to circle the drain before my pals and I flush em.
^.^

Virulent

NO.

maouw

It really is about: Is it worth it? Because sometimes the answer will be "yes" - but most of the time "no"

jackalopejane

Neurath wrote: »

I'll be devil's advocate and say, why should Corrupted Players have a safe haven? No-one else will have a safe haven. Not greens, not purples, not citizens and not raiders. Of course, you can't be harmed when at your market stall or in your freehold but your freehold can be destroyed for a period after a siege. There are exceptions to the rules which I stated, but, the rules are to prevent murder rampages.

It's an interesting idea (especially if you're looking at it from a RP perspective) but I just don't think there is a fluid way to integrate it without bounty hunters just camping it all day and keeping corrupted players from even getting to it. I do agree with other comments here for the most part though, it's very 'have your cake and eat it too' because the whole corruption setup is to encourage a funnel into other honorable pvp scenarios and slow down griefing and make it less appealing. So griefing will still happen but it will only be if that griefer decides the risk vs reward is high enough to possibly lose all their loot/gear over killing innocent players.

akabear

I don`t believe in any Safe Haven, where safe means untouchable, merely various areas on the map that provide map anonymity.

But as for the caravans, seiges etc channeling the pvp aspect of the game, I only see the safe pvp fueling retribution, revenge, opportunity, power plays, power struggles, that will spill out into the field between those sessions. All dependent on actually how hard the penalities turn out to be.

The following were the kind of political plays and activities that clans / alliances went through that filled the L2 days:

Clan A want to take over a castle for the reward/tax income, but cannot do alone so reaches out and seeks help from Clan B, C, D...
Clan B will help but first Clan B wants help to end their war with Clan Z, so Clan A goes on a pk spree to convince the Clan Z leader to cease fire.
Clan C wants to raid x boss but Clan X is always taking over the boss first.. so Clan A, B pk clan X so they back off from the raids the regularly monopolize. Clan A & C do the raid, Clan C is paid out, and then willingly aligns with Clan A in the siege.
Clan D has been losing stuff in caravans mostly to Clan Y members, so Clan A roughs them up a bit with a few pks until Clan Y leader instructs their members to back off and to keep their trade route free. (adlib here)
Clan A wants to be the sole owner of x mats dropping from an area, so pay off Clan B,C,D to pk anyone that enters that area with promises to reward them from the taxes the may from their takeover.

My interpretation was that there will be those that let bygones be bygones in any of the structured / safe pvp events and those that go that bit further and get their hands dirty to prosper.

Noaani

Jam21 wrote: »

Toxic elitist attitude will do you no good. It will only show people how bigoted and aggressive AoC community is.

As these forums resident toxic elitist, I take exception to this comment being made in my absence.

It isn't toxic nor elitism to point out to someone they are wrong. It is,however elitism to assume you are right when someone more knowledgable poi ts out to you that you are not.

It is also toxic to accuse others of toxicity when all they are doing is correcting you.

Many people, myself and Wrath included, don't like seeing incorrect information or incorrect assumptions being left uncorrected here. When this happens, others come along, read them, and have every reason to assume they are correct.

Because of this, if something posted is incorrect, it will be corrected. This isn't elitism, this is simply people wanting to spread fact as opposed to allowing incorrect information to spread.

In this case, you should be happy. There was a system in the game you didn't like, but it turns out your reasons for not liking it were based on incorrect information on your part. That means the thing you didnt like about the game won't happen.

Birdie

Send them to Floran village!

AntVictus

Birdie wrote: »

Send them to Floran village!

Or the Gulag, we could do that instead. You're safe for literal days, still incur stat and xp loss at max, but at least you get to keep the items....you just don't get to play on that character for however long (probably days) until you work off your corruption. But they won't want that either.

daveywavey

Noaani wrote: »

Jam21 wrote: »

Toxic elitist attitude will do you no good. It will only show people how bigoted and aggressive AoC community is.

As these forums resident toxic elitist, I take exception to this comment being made in my absence.

Ramirez

Funny how people are hating on people that like PK in Pvp/Pvx mmorpg... You don't have alot of only Pve mmorpgs already?

Sick of seeing making fun or hating on people that like to have some open world pvp, this is looking new world foruns... PVE Only/Solo players just fill devs with ideas and turned the game from sandbox to a theme park that will be dead in one year...

Songcaller

Ramirez wrote: »

Funny how people are hating on people that like PK in and Pvp/Pvx mmorpg... You don't have alot of Pve mmorpgs already?

I've explained before that the game is a very niche game for the western market. We have people claiming they will monopolise the bosses, we have people claiming they will monopolise the market and we have people claiming they will monopolise the equipment. Sometimes I wonder if these people have played a PvX Game before.

Also, the die hard PvP Players will most likely not enjoy the corruption system. There will be no escape from the corruption system because there won't be dedicated PvP and PvE Servers. Fortunately, we have a core of players who understand the game systems and can't wait to play the game.

Edit: Spelling Mistakes.

Magencia

good old UO days

. this would be awesome. grey-red. faction/chaos/order. lets bring back all the beauty of a true pvp.

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