Noaani wrote: » ... Also, I am still waiting on you providing a screenshot of Steven saying the game would release in December 2020. ...
Elo wrote: » Noaani wrote: » ... Also, I am still waiting on you providing a screenshot of Steven saying the game would release in December 2020. ... Although I think that this point was just a digression from the main discussion and would in no way disprove any of your other relevant points, I do remember having written the Ashes of Creation release date a year ahead of time on my calendar. I had only heard it as "before 2020" from youtube videos. This old post seems the most relevant and places "before 2020" in quotes.https://forums.ashesofcreation.com/discussion/35114/information-ashes-of-creation-release-dates While searching around for this, I found it interesting how the website 3 years ago provides more information than the current site. https://web.archive.org/web/20180224083913/ashesofcreation.com/#null
Liniker wrote: » Ostaff wrote: » When "someone else is able to create their character before you" is your biggest worry.. then I think the Devs are doing a great job of keeping P2W away! Pure Vanilla wrote: » I’m sorry but if you think people having access to character creation early is akin to pay to win, then you have CLEARLY never played an MMO with ACTUAL pay to win mechanics. Neox365 wrote: » First World problems lol Who cares if people can play 1 or 2 hours ahead what disadvantage would that give you? pyreal wrote: » He likely has that perk already, and he's not complaining about the 'advantage' it gives him. He's probably being a drama llama so he can set up chars for his multiboxing. If Steven does the right thing and addresses this, acknowledging that putting a 75$+ pay wall on character creator is indeed Pay-for-Convenience, goes against hes previous vision for the game, and won't be in the game - I will come back to this thread, just to have a good laugh.
Ostaff wrote: » When "someone else is able to create their character before you" is your biggest worry.. then I think the Devs are doing a great job of keeping P2W away!
Pure Vanilla wrote: » I’m sorry but if you think people having access to character creation early is akin to pay to win, then you have CLEARLY never played an MMO with ACTUAL pay to win mechanics.
Neox365 wrote: » First World problems lol Who cares if people can play 1 or 2 hours ahead what disadvantage would that give you?
pyreal wrote: » He likely has that perk already, and he's not complaining about the 'advantage' it gives him. He's probably being a drama llama so he can set up chars for his multiboxing.
Alsop wrote: » Imagine something like "Pay 20 bucks to skip the intro video when launching the game" or "Pay 30 bucks to auto log in so you can save 10 seconds" ( OMG thats so P2W) , this is just too funny to read, like if 2 hours or even 2 days will make a diference on a server that will last for moths or years. I know too much people that paid to play Albion online with 2 days ahead of time and did nothing with that, but also know people that started 3 weeks later and ended up with a top tier guild playing pvp on the black zone. And albion on lauch got a Gold/silver ratio of 1 to 1, two days later it was 300 to 1. If you start 2 days ahead but you are not a good player it does not matter, if you start 3 weeks latter and you are a good player IT DOES NOT MATTER, its a pvp game. Just play for fun, thinking that someone has advantage over you just for 2 hours and getting frustrated for that makes no sense. The only thing that will give you advantage on launch is knowledge.
Noaani wrote: » The only real reason you have for not posting it is if it in fact says what I assume it says - in which case I understand you not wanting to post it, as it would prove that I understand it more without having even seen it than you understand with having read it first hand.
Alsop wrote: » Just play for fun, thinking that someone has advantage over you just for 2 hours and getting frustrated for that makes no sense.
Liniker wrote: » Alsop wrote: » Imagine something like "Pay 20 bucks to skip the intro video when launching the game" or "Pay 30 bucks to auto log in so you can save 10 seconds" ( OMG thats so P2W) , this is just too funny to read, like if 2 hours or even 2 days will make a diference on a server that will last for moths or years. I know too much people that paid to play Albion online with 2 days ahead of time and did nothing with that, but also know people that started 3 weeks later and ended up with a top tier guild playing pvp on the black zone. And albion on lauch got a Gold/silver ratio of 1 to 1, two days later it was 300 to 1. If you start 2 days ahead but you are not a good player it does not matter, if you start 3 weeks latter and you are a good player IT DOES NOT MATTER, its a pvp game. Just play for fun, thinking that someone has advantage over you just for 2 hours and getting frustrated for that makes no sense. The only thing that will give you advantage on launch is knowledge. You people's arguments are getting more stupid each day.... oh lord... P2W is not defined by What you are selling...... it's not about the 10 seconds video skip for 10 bucks..... it's about the company charging you for that.... on your stupid example, all I would say is "Why the f do I need to pay to skip the damn video on a game that the creative director says he's ONLY charging for cosmetics and is against P2W?" You guys keep giving stupid examples yet that's not even the problem, the point is putting a f*** pay wall on shit that ain't necessary. Excuse my french. Alsop wrote: » Just play for fun, thinking that someone has advantage over you just for 2 hours and getting frustrated for that makes no sense. I don't play for fun. That's your vision that's your gameplay. And that's ok I'm not saying I hate on casuals, I still like you I'm still your friend, we just have fun in different ways. Ashes will have ranked arenas and seasons, competitive PvP battles, castle and node sieges and mechanics attracting hardcore players as well, I'm only happy if I and my guild is playing 16 hours a day to be in the Top. That's the fun for me. Getting my all my guild 1 hour earlier on launch day will make ALL the difference trust me, especially on a game that has node leveling mechanics based on XP, with limited housing, resources and a LONG way from point's of interest - and this is something only competitive players understand.
Liniker wrote: » I don't play for fun. That's your vision that's your gameplay. And that's ok I'm not saying I hate on casuals, I still like you I'm still your friend, we just have fun in different ways. Ashes will have ranked arenas and seasons, competitive PvP battles, castle and node sieges and mechanics attracting hardcore players as well, I'm only happy if I and my guild is playing 16 hours a day to be in the Top. That's the fun for me. Getting my all my guild 1 hour earlier on launch day will make ALL the difference trust me, especially on a game that has node leveling mechanics based on XP, with limited housing, resources and a LONG way from point's of interest - and this is something only competitive players understand.
Liniker wrote: » Noaani wrote: » The only real reason you have for not posting it is if it in fact says what I assume it says - in which case I understand you not wanting to post it, as it would prove that I understand it more without having even seen it than you understand with having read it first hand. Bro, I can't be bothered to waste my time making a research just to prove you wrong... I honestly don't care, everyone that follows the project for a while remembers that... I'd need to go on the wiki or smt and spend time trying to find Steven's letter about this It's just a waste of time... I'm just gonna post some screenshots of veteran members and content creators on the discord talking about this cuz it's a lot easier to find.
Liniker wrote: » Getting my all my guild 1 hour earlier on launch day will make ALL the difference trust me, especially on a game that has node leveling mechanics based on XP, with limited housing, resources and a LONG way from point's of interest - and this is something only competitive players understand.
Noaani wrote: » So, you cant find Steven saying release was announced for 2020, just a bunch of people saying that it was the original idea he had, before he actually hired any staff. That is far from 2020 being a promised release date, which is what you said was the case.
Noaani wrote: » They were just as wrong as you are.
Liniker wrote: » Noaani wrote: » They were just as wrong as you are. Alright, @Noaani you made me do it, I didn't want to bother but I've found out how to search for Steven's old messages on discord; And now ill make you feel stupid by proving you wrong, you deserve it, take your time to humble yourself, research more about the game, stop talking shit, and then you come back and say sorry. Enjoy;the end
Neurath wrote: » Yeah, I was good friends with 'Deleted User' back then lol.
Alsop wrote: » P2W, its literaly PAY TO WIN, and again "TO WIN", i cant see on anyway why a player will be "WINNING" over others only cause of that, if you are bad you will still be bad with that time ahead. I will consider it a pay to win if only the players that paid that can use certain nodes, only them and no one else, that would be pay to win. but even if they take a node first you can destroy them, or even go to that node and take it for yourself, do i need to remind you that science nodes majors are elected? you are looking this game like if you can have YOUR OWN node, and its not like that. you can get your own castle,and there are only 5. Do you want it? take it, you can if you are good enougth. Just with that i can understand why you cry that much, you are just that kind of players who value time, and just time, and call it hardcore gaming, nha bro, hardcore gamning is when you play a game where you die and drop everything you got on you. You dont need 16 hours a day to be a hardcore gamer, you need skill, enougth skill to engage on a 1 v 3 and win. A harcore gamer is not scared of a guild taking a better spot, you are just making excuses to say that if someone is better than you , is just cause he has advantage. Everything you say is just so ridiculus that i can only see this post as a huge joke. Talking with you is just a big waste of time since you have your own vision of the game and everything that differs from it is wrong for you. ¿So you wont have fun because your guild cant spend 16 hours a day playing and being the best guild on the server , only because other guild started 2 hours early and just for that they will win for sure if you play vs them? OK dude, if your way of thinking is like that, maybe better dont play an MMO once you get head to head to rusian top tier guilds you will notice there is allways someone better than you. I will just say it once, and get out of this post cause is a waste of time. If the day of release you dont have the knowledge neded to engage on a guild well managed, with his dedicated gatherers, procesing and crafting players being at least 60% of your guild, and investing time on them to build the core of your guild, providing a sistem to gear up your guild members well, and engaging on politics to manage at least 1 node of each (science, military, economic, and religion) , you can forget on being one of the best guilds. and again a well managed guild is not scared of starting late, eventualy they will destroy everything arround them.
