Corruption creates too much controversy

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

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TriggerTec

maouw wrote: »

Ostaff wrote: »

I think this game would be best if we didn't have any skills, abilities, races or classes. Just one blank vanilla race with the ability to walk, jump, and swing your feet. Oh yeah, and not loot, cause if we have loot people will want to see it or take it from us.

Definitely would be my vote for the BEST MMORPG ever!

Oh.. and a text adventure would be nice as well... as then people couldn't discriminate against the color or looks we choose for our character

Nice try tulnar, but there's already fanfics of the Underground lit brightly by your cities nests engulfed in firey destruction.

We shall see about that once on the battlefield, @maouw! The Tulnar will REIGN VICTORIOUS!

Jxshuwu

Warth wrote: »

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

Jubilum

OP I totally agree with you this whole corruption, open world, non-consensual pvp plan is a disappointment for a game with so much potential. I will not play this game until this is changed.

Don't let the trolls and gankers deter our fight for what is right. They don't want a great game just more victims to gank and tears to harvest. They just don't realize they have already chased a large portion of their victims.

Andy

So sad to see a lot of people agreeing with the OP.
There are already plenty of MMORPG with instanced dungeons/raids only.
Why do you want the same things in AoC too ?

If this gamedesign is so cooooooooool, why are you here, looking for a new MMORPG ?

Warth

Andy wrote: »

So sad to see a lot of people agreeing with the OP.
There are already plenty of MMORPG with instanced dungeons/raids only.
Why do you want the same things in AoC too ?

If this gamedesign is so cooooooooool, why are you here, looking for a new MMORPG ?

the game design is so good, that's why all similar projects in the past failed.
Instead, they could just make a modern version of wow and guarantee success

Ostaff

Andy wrote: »

So sad to see a lot of people agreeing with the OP.
There are already plenty of MMORPG with instanced dungeons/raids only.
Why do you want the same things in AoC too ?

If this gamedesign is so cooooooooool, why are you here, looking for a new MMORPG ?

Especially when the OP made that post with complete contempt and sarcasm!!!

What I think is more unbelievable is the amount of people who actually believed what he posted.

Khronus

Andy wrote: »

So sad to see a lot of people agreeing with the OP.
There are already plenty of MMORPG with instanced dungeons/raids only.
Why do you want the same things in AoC too ?

If this gamedesign is so cooooooooool, why are you here, looking for a new MMORPG ?

Most of the responses are additional trolling. They aren't being serious.

Sathrago

Ostaff wrote: »

maouw wrote: »

Nice try tulnar, but there's already fanfics of the Underground lit brightly by your cities nests engulfed in firey destruction.

Tulnars shall control the world! All shall bow down and admire the fluffiness that is Tulnar!

Yeah well me and Nagash will get our necromancer buddies together and create the corrupted version of super fleas. Enjoy all that fluff then.

consultant

There lots of people that like PvP ton actually but there are certain number that do not like PvP ....that really dislike getting ganked. Game Design Crew at Ashes of Creation Implemented Corruption to Decrease ganks but still possible.

Ostaff

Sathrago wrote: »

Ostaff wrote: »

maouw wrote: »

Nice try tulnar, but there's already fanfics of the Underground lit brightly by your cities nests engulfed in firey destruction.

Tulnars shall control the world! All shall bow down and admire the fluffiness that is Tulnar!

Yeah well me and Nagash will get our necromancer buddies together and create the corrupted version of super fleas. Enjoy all that fluff then.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! That.... (stutter) ...THAT... (splutter)... IS JUST PLAIN EVIL!!!!

We would prefer you just sending in more of those delicious skeletons! Bones galore to munch on!

Warth

consultant wrote: »

There lots of people that like PvP ton actually but there are certain number that do not like PvP ....that really dislike getting ganked. Game Design Crew at Ashes of Creation Implemented Corruption to Decrease ganks but still possible.

Which is perfectly fine.
There are a couple of games on the market I'd never consider playing (again). One of them being FFXIV. Instead of crying on their boards, asking them to change the game, i simply go and play games that fit me better.

AoC doesn't need to attract everybody. Its perfectly fine that both far ends of the carebear-griefer spectrum aren't interested in the game due to their Open World PVP/Corruption design decision.

Ramirez

Warth wrote: »

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

Better stop with this sarcastic posts or steven will think it s true and change his mind and remove open world pvp ahahah

mobtek

maouw wrote: »

Nice try tulnar, but there's already fanfics of the Underground lit brightly by your cities nests engulfed in firey destruction.

Tulnar recipes when?

Tyranthraxus

Warth wrote: »

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

Well, since 'any' also means 'too much' for a lot of people, I see your point.

Yours truly is quite glad that AoC will feature some owPvP options.

Taleof2Cities

Warth wrote: »

AoC doesn't need to attract everybody. Its perfectly fine that both far ends of the carebear-griefer spectrum aren't interested in the game due to their Open World PVP/Corruption design decision.

Agreed.

Keeping the "riff-raff" out by simple game design.

If you think new player views on the corruption system are a fun read now ... just wait until launch.

WhitneyHagasMatsumoto

I get so excited when I see threads like this. lmao

Anyway, if you're worried about PvP, I recommend following Immanuel Kant's theory of punishment.

In simple terms, it means: "Crush those who only cause trouble for everyone."

Players who abuse PvP will find out firsthand in the world of Verra what the consequences are.

The great men of the past have provided us with guidelines for action, so feel free to follow them.

lol

Noaani

Warth wrote: »

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

While obviously sarcasm (and appreciated as such), I feel I should point out that if a game does come out that has the passion, commitment and experience of Intrepid, but puts a focus on top end raid and group content, and implements that in a game that has some form of system to give players a reason to care about hundreds and/or thousands of other players as opposed to just the players in their guild (as Ashes node system is doing), the game will be successful.

That game will not be Ashes, but it will be successful, regardless.

What won't be successful is just another game that puts raids in a world and makes it so you only need to concern yourself with your guild.

mcstackerson

Noaani wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

While obviously sarcasm (and appreciated as such), I feel I should point out that if a game does come out that has the passion, commitment and experience of Intrepid, but puts a focus on top end raid and group content, and implements that in a game that has some form of system to give players a reason to care about hundreds and/or thousands of other players as opposed to just the players in their guild (as Ashes node system is doing), the game will be successful.

That game will not be Ashes, but it will be successful, regardless.

What won't be successful is just another game that puts raids in a world and makes it so you only need to concern yourself with your guild.

But the flagging system does make you care about players outside of your guild as they can impact the resources you gain from the open world. If you don't care about members outside of your guild, there is an increased chance they will get in your way. Even if it's competitive and not cooperative, you should care about the people around you, be aware of their goals and what they are capable of.

Noaani

mcstackerson wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Warth wrote: »

Let's just get rid of open world pvp and focus the saved effort on the best MMO content instead:
Instanced Dungeons and Raids.

While obviously sarcasm (and appreciated as such), I feel I should point out that if a game does come out that has the passion, commitment and experience of Intrepid, but puts a focus on top end raid and group content, and implements that in a game that has some form of system to give players a reason to care about hundreds and/or thousands of other players as opposed to just the players in their guild (as Ashes node system is doing), the game will be successful.

That game will not be Ashes, but it will be successful, regardless.

What won't be successful is just another game that puts raids in a world and makes it so you only need to concern yourself with your guild.

But the flagging system does make you care about players outside of your guild as they can impact the resources you gain from the open world. If you don't care about members outside of your guild, there is an increased chance they will get in your way. Even if it's competitive and not cooperative, you should care about the people around you, be aware of their goals and what they are capable of.

Yeah, the flagging system in Ashes is another system that sees players care about other players.

It doesn't make you care about thousands of players at a time though, which is what massively multiplayer games should strive for.

I'm not even specifically saying that the game that I was talking about above that is focusing on top end content can't also have PvP in it. It absolutely could.

I'm more getting at the point that there are actual hundreds of thousands of MMO players out there that want a new generation MMO where they can raid - and while that is not Ashes, a game that does allow for it with the stipulations above will be successful.

mcstackerson

Noaani wrote: »

It doesn't make you care about thousands of players at a time though, which is what massively multiplayer games should strive for.

This would be an interesting thing to talk about because as much as I love debating against people who say something is impossible, I see this as difficult and possibly impossible depending on what you mean by care. I just don't think it's possible for a single person to form that many connections on a micro level and on a macro level, not only do I debate how much it should be considered caring, it's hard for me to picture the system making you care more about the people than the reward. We see this in every multiplayer game where most people seem to care more about the loot they get from a dungeon/raid or winning the match than the people who they are working with for it.

It makes sense, we do these things for those end goals but I wonder how a reward structure would encourage people to care about those they play with.

That said, hopefully, someone can show me what I can't see.

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