No NDA Delay. Lets talk about it!

So there have been some recent concerns over the "No NDA delay." To me, I don't mind it. The only reason I'm not disappointed is that the game isn't forced to be a sped-up production like Cyberpunk 2077 or No Man's Sky. If they have already mentioned that the game is fully paid for, been told countless times that Alpha's and betas are there to make a perfect release and that the game will be ready when it's ready, why be disappointed over a setback that's only going to make the game better? There is one thing that concerns me, though; In the Creative Director letter from Steven Shariff, it says that they want to focus on polishing up the game a little more. I hope they mean by working on fixing server performance(If this is a problem), skills, and issues/bugs that have arisen. I watched Jahlon 's new video on youtube and KiraTV's video on it. Both had some good points and speculation, and I do agree with them. I see the frustration of the community from their POV, so let's talk about it. What are your guys' thoughts and speculations? What do you think is going on, and are you mad or are you glad? How can we help as a community?

KiraTV's No NDA Delay Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd00DDtsE9c&t=227s

Jahlon's No NDA Delay Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQDDFCwNlKA

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Songcaller

I'm not fussed either way. So far, combat needs the reform rather than polish. Polish can mean anything though. It's not like the current testers wont test before NDA lifts. Those 10k souls have suffered the worst and will continue to suffer. Such is the life of a tester.

BobzUrUncle

Why talk about it? It happened.

Javionn

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Why talk about it? It happened.

Talk about it as in. Does it affect you in any way? Does it make you aggravated, or are you okay with it? Stuff like that. We all know it happened.

bloodprophet

Only those that have never had and idea planned and designed and then built it would be upset over this.

This best laid plans never survive first contact with reality.

People need to calm down and let them do their thing.

Hawkwood

Javionn wrote: »

So there have been some recent concerns over the "No NDA delay." To me, I don't mind it. The only reason I'm not disappointed is that the game isn't forced to be a sped-up production like Cyberpunk 2077 or No Man's Sky.

Ok so personally I think people are white knighting a little much. Don't get me wrong, they delayed they have there reasons. Yes disappointed, but got over it pretty fast. What I don't understand is saying you don't want another Cyberpunk 2077 or No Mans Sky. Reason being they RELEASED unfinished. NO ONE WANTS INTREPID TO DO THIS. We are not talking about a release, its an alpha (which is already out). Polish is for releases not Alphas. Releasing the NDA was just to show the community "where their at". People don't care if grass didn't load in a zone in an alpha, They do care about seeing the core mechanics of the game.

What I think is really happening is the combat. Its not up to a standard they were expecting and didn't want to put their game out to be judged considering the "most critical" system for gamers is in the middle of changing and wont offer a "true" view of AoC. Which if they just said I don't think a single person would have cared.

In the end Steven clearly loves this game and wants to deliver for the community. I don't see any of these actions as worrisome, but seeing corporate talk is like seeing someone pet a dog in the wrong direction, I just don't like it.
(Edited for spelling)

PoliceGirl

Sup @bloodprophet my goodness that's the right attitude. 4real huh? Live a little, try something, and see how it all goes according to schedule! 😆

Imma KEEL IT when the game is released...
And I'll wait as long as I need to like a hungry 🐺.

Pce

nanfoodle

Games get delayed. I get Ashes fudged when they could release the game. Everyone knew it that knows anything. MMOs take normally about 4-8 years to make. I will be here when the game comes out and I rather they did it right over rushing and giving us a messed up game with low or no polish.

Ostaff

Patience kemosabe. Patience grasshopper. All good things will come with time, only bad things come out rushed.

Talents

I'm fine with the delay but I'm kinda biased as I've always been of the opinion that the NDA should stay until A2 since I don't trust the wider MMO audience to not shit on the game when they see it isn't fully polished with a decent amount of content.

SarsaparillaToast

well at least we can get a look at whats going on

Hawkwood

Talents wrote: »

I'm fine with the delay but I'm kinda biased as I've always been of the opinion that the NDA should stay until A2 since I don't trust the wider MMO audience to not shit on the game when they see it isn't fully polished with a decent amount of content.

It won't be fully polished for A2 either so why get rid of the NDA then?

Talents

HixHaxxen wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

I'm fine with the delay but I'm kinda biased as I've always been of the opinion that the NDA should stay until A2 since I don't trust the wider MMO audience to not shit on the game when they see it isn't fully polished with a decent amount of content.

It won't be fully polished for A2 either so why get rid of the NDA then?

Because A2 is where a lot of the big features that people are looking forward to begin to get added. A1 doesn't have a lot of stuff such as nodes above stage 3, naval content, classes, the artisan system etc. No point in showing people A1 testing imo.

Hawkwood

Talents wrote: »

HixHaxxen wrote: »

Talents wrote: »

I'm fine with the delay but I'm kinda biased as I've always been of the opinion that the NDA should stay until A2 since I don't trust the wider MMO audience to not shit on the game when they see it isn't fully polished with a decent amount of content.

It won't be fully polished for A2 either so why get rid of the NDA then?

Because A2 is where a lot of the big features that people are looking forward to begin to get added. A1 doesn't have a lot of stuff such as nodes above stage 3, naval content, classes, the artisan system etc. No point in showing people A1 testing imo.

Got it, it's not polish it's more core game play mechanics. Still don't see how you think people will shit on it in A1, but not in A2 when half their game mechanics come online for the first time. I see you going High Priest with that much faith.

maouw

@HixHaxxen
The worry is because we've already seen people's critical reception of first pass drafts, often expressed as outrage that "AoC is doing this wrong, I won't be playing".

Or Steven saying "btw, particle effects are placeholder atm," and a month later we were still getting "what's with the particle effects?"

It's too early to board the Hype Train, we need more fuel for the journey.

NchDu

I really don´t like it, but it seems like part of nowadays development cycle to not deliver on date. I really can´t stand the "it´s done when it`s done" mentality cause I am hyped for it now! It is of course my problem but after I`ve waited for games like CU, Shrouds of the Avatar, and Crowfall for so long just to see their studios not getting something viable together is more than frustrating. Especially over the course of many years. For now I´m looking forward to the new "no NDA" Alpha date and lots of sweet footages. This game is ment to be my last MMORPG even in the worst case scenario of not being released at all.

For sure my level of desperation is linked to my hypelevel xD

mobtek

I was as disappointed as the next person but I understand if they came out of the last test with serious issues why they delayed. But also, I think they need to hit their project management targets.
They need some non-steven educational videos with the engineers, not a talk-show style but proper ongoing edu vids on what and how Alpha development works to educate and temper expectations of the backers and fans - Jahlon suggested this during his show today

FuryBladeborne

I do like that they compensated by increasing the time for testing. I'm looking forward to testing for weeks or a month at a time instead of a weekend.

Hawkwood

maouw wrote: »

@HixHaxxen
The worry is because we've already seen people's critical reception of first pass drafts, often expressed as outrage that "AoC is doing this wrong, I won't be playing".

Or Steven saying "btw, particle effects are placeholder atm," and a month later we were still getting "what's with the particle effects?"

It's too early to board the Hype Train, we need more fuel for the journey.

I get it. I am right there with you. I don't want this game that I will probably be playing for 10 years, to get a bad rep from people who don't understand the full context of the game or the mechanic they are complaining about. You cant make a game for everyone, and because of that, Those who the game is not for will be critical. Not just in A1 or A2 but 15 years after launch, that's just the gaming community. I just don't see that as an excuse to bury the game from the players who do want to see more, and understand what an Alpha is.
“Worry gives a small thing a big shadow.”

BobzUrUncle

Javionn wrote: »

BobzUrUncle wrote: »

Why talk about it? It happened.

Talk about it as in. Does it affect you in any way? Does it make you aggravated, or are you okay with it? Stuff like that. We all know it happened.

Why would it make anyone mad? Or aggravated? It doesn't matter if we are okay with it or not as it happened.
If there is nothing we can do about it, why get worked up?

TriggerTec

maouw wrote: »

It's too early to board the Hype Train, we need more fuel for the journey.

Its too late for that, my friend. I'm on board with a gun to the conductor's head tellin him full steam ahead.

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