Season cycles

Seasons should stay longer than a week.

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Warth wrote: »

@Noaani
i'd like to see 2on/6off resources with singular biomes that always offer said resource. Like the center of the snowy biome/glacier always offering the winter resources.

That would incentivize travelling, the transport of goods and ind increase the uniqueness of certain biomes/nodes within it

while I could see this working, I would think the fact that the item is available all year round in some places, but is available everywhere some of the time wouldn't have that much of a price fluctuation.

BuffBulldozer

I think 2 weeks is the sweet spot.

Biccus

Noaani wrote: »

while I could see this working, I would think the fact that the item is available all year round in some places, but is available everywhere some of the time wouldn't have that much of a price fluctuation.

Would the fact that markets being regional cause a large fluctuation in regions where the material isn't available for longer periods of time (or even never).

I'm starting to be more agreeable with the 2 week rotation if the materials are available still during all season just in very specific locations. It could very give the economy an interesting balance if people can caravan a material a long way to sell for potentially vastly more.

Noaani

Biccus wrote: »

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Noaani wrote: »

while I could see this working, I would think the fact that the item is available all year round in some places, but is available everywhere some of the time wouldn't have that much of a price fluctuation.

Would the fact that markets being regional cause a large fluctuation in regions where the material isn't available for longer periods of time (or even never).

I'm starting to be more agreeable with the 2 week rotation if the materials are available still during all season just in very specific locations. It could very give the economy an interesting balance if people can caravan a material a long way to sell for potentially vastly more.

My assumption with this is that there will be a good number of people on most servers that spend the bulk of their time in game on running caravans. If so, they will basically flatten the cost of resources between the major nodes.

Vhaeyne

Since half this thread can not take a joke. Here is a real response:

I think it is great that I could just hold on to mats for three weeks and have the value of those mats go up a little due to scarcity. People seem to be worried about how the harvesting situation wont work for them because they want things instantly, but you could literally squeeze more out of the market just buying low and selling high. The potential for profit goes up even more if the goods are out of season and you sell them in a node that is not near those resources.

Just like... real life...
Except things I don't think things spoil in Ashes. Something the food shipping industry spends a ton on that you would not have to.

One week, two weeks, three weeks per seasonal goods... It all sounds really good to me as long as its not less than a week. Too short would kill the profits.

Noaani

I agree that there is no point in disallowing a product for a single week - that isn't long enough to cause any market change - unless there is also a specific lifetime limit on said product.

But I also don't see a need for more than three weeks of not having a specific product - as not having it for that long will then start to eat in to the profits of the profession that needs it for finished products.

So, to me, some products being not available for two weeks and some not being available for three weeks is perfect.

Making this happen would require single week seasons.

Warth

Noaani wrote: »

Biccus wrote: »

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Noaani wrote: »

while I could see this working, I would think the fact that the item is available all year round in some places, but is available everywhere some of the time wouldn't have that much of a price fluctuation.

Would the fact that markets being regional cause a large fluctuation in regions where the material isn't available for longer periods of time (or even never).

I'm starting to be more agreeable with the 2 week rotation if the materials are available still during all season just in very specific locations. It could very give the economy an interesting balance if people can caravan a material a long way to sell for potentially vastly more.

My assumption with this is that there will be a good number of people on most servers that spend the bulk of their time in game on running caravans. If so, they will basically flatten the cost of resources between the major nodes.

Flatten the cost, but they won't ever be similar. If they were, nobody would bother running the caravan anymore.

Noaani

Warth wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Biccus wrote: »

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Noaani wrote: »

while I could see this working, I would think the fact that the item is available all year round in some places, but is available everywhere some of the time wouldn't have that much of a price fluctuation.

Would the fact that markets being regional cause a large fluctuation in regions where the material isn't available for longer periods of time (or even never).

I'm starting to be more agreeable with the 2 week rotation if the materials are available still during all season just in very specific locations. It could very give the economy an interesting balance if people can caravan a material a long way to sell for potentially vastly more.

My assumption with this is that there will be a good number of people on most servers that spend the bulk of their time in game on running caravans. If so, they will basically flatten the cost of resources between the major nodes.

Flatten the cost, but they won't ever be similar. If they were, nobody would bother running the caravan anymore.

Materials will always cost more in locations other than those in which they are acquired, and I don't see a 2 week on, 6 week off with some regions able to produce it all the time really having any kind of further effect.

if you are in a region that can produce it for 2 weeks, you will sell it at the price it sells for during the 6 weeks it isn't being produced there. Before long, the people making it in the node and the people bringing it in will arrive at a point of balance, and both the supply of the product and the cost will be roughly the same year round. It may be slightly higher than it is in the nodes that produce it, but again, that is true of all materials.

Vhaeyne

Noaani wrote: »

Materials will always cost more in locations other than those in which they are acquired, and I don't see a 2 week on, 6 week off with some regions able to produce it all the time really having any kind of further effect.

if you are in a region that can produce it for 2 weeks, you will sell it at the price it sells for during the 6 weeks it isn't being produced there. Before long, the people making it in the node and the people bringing it in will arrive at a point of balance, and both the supply of the product and the cost will be roughly the same year round. It may be slightly higher than it is in the nodes that produce it, but again, that is true of all materials.

If there is a reason to constantly consume, like gear upkeep and consumables than supply will never stabilize especially with localized banking and markets. I mean even in WOW, as shitty as the economy is in that game. There is a clear price difference on BoE items and consumables on Tuesday(raid reset) over Sunday and Monday. This trend can be seen in almost any MMO with a Tuesday reset.

Biccus

Sorry my mind won't work atm..
How would a player be able to trade the goods they caravan over?
Would you have to caravan it to an economic node with an auction house, (or vassal of one) then the buyer has to caravan it to their own node? or.. if you wanted to take it to a non-economic node and take out the materials and try to sell them hand to hand, 1 inventory at a time? (unless you've got a lvl 3 licence from a economic metropolis, lol)

I can see a huge price fluctuation between local markets depending on how hard/dangerous it is to travel materials long distances. Especially if the materials are locked to specific zones for 6 weeks at a time.

Daerax

Don't you guys think it would be better to have different length of season than exactly one or two weeks? To break the rhytm, that season changes let's say every or every other wednesday at 4 AM? Possibly with some randomness. I mean, average season could be 10 days with some chance of being one day longer or shorter. It could affect yield of the crops, shake up a market a bit. It obviously won't work, if season transitions happen during regular maintenance downtime, which is quite likely I guess. But if it's not the case, I think it would be much better than exactly one or two week periods.

Enigmatic Sage

Daerax wrote: »

Don't you guys think it would be better to have different length of season than exactly one or two weeks? To break the rhytm, that season changes let's say every or every other wednesday at 4 AM? Possibly with some randomness. I mean, average season could be 10 days with some chance of being one day longer or shorter. It could affect yield of the crops, shake up a market a bit. It obviously won't work, if season transitions happen during regular maintenance downtime, which is quite likely I guess. But if it's not the case, I think it would be much better than exactly one or two week periods.

I think what you're suggesting is more of a weather variable during transition of seasons based on different types of crops and their growing condition rather than the official seasonal change dates.

Technically you could leave them in the ground and risk quality rating change and/or crop loss

EDIT:

Maybe the weather will be relatively RNG based and probability factors on biome and season. There is potential to gamble a few extra in-game days for growing.

depending on type of biome and seasonal changes, some crops may need to be planted in different seasons so they can grow in the spring.

Maybe tropical biomes have the potential to grow some things during their winter season while non-tropical cannot.

Biome specific crops, growing seasons and length, weather variables that affect crop quality.
Season transition weather variables.

Daerax

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Daerax wrote: »

Don't you guys think it would be better to have different length of season than exactly one or two weeks? To break the rhytm, that season changes let's say every or every other wednesday at 4 AM? Possibly with some randomness. I mean, average season could be 10 days with some chance of being one day longer or shorter. It could affect yield of the crops, shake up a market a bit. It obviously won't work, if season transitions happen during regular maintenance downtime, which is quite likely I guess. But if it's not the case, I think it would be much better than exactly one or two week periods.

I think what you're suggesting is more of a weather variable during transition of seasons based on different types of crops and their growing condition rather than the official seasonal change dates.

Technically you could leave them in the ground and risk quality rating change and/or crop loss

EDIT:

Maybe the weather will be relatively RNG based and probability factors on biome and season. There is potential to gamble a few extra in-game days for growing.

Yeah, I guess. Or I was more like operating on a wrong assumtion about how the system works. If the weather will change in a way you described based on the season and also weather itself will be the factor affecting the environment, it's obviously better system and should have some variabilty that causes the effects a was talking about. I thought there will be more drastic changes to the world on the specific day the seasons change instead of gradual process of changes in weather depending on time of year. From that came the idea of seasons not lasting exactly the same time every time.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Materials will always cost more in locations other than those in which they are acquired, and I don't see a 2 week on, 6 week off with some regions able to produce it all the time really having any kind of further effect.

if you are in a region that can produce it for 2 weeks, you will sell it at the price it sells for during the 6 weeks it isn't being produced there. Before long, the people making it in the node and the people bringing it in will arrive at a point of balance, and both the supply of the product and the cost will be roughly the same year round. It may be slightly higher than it is in the nodes that produce it, but again, that is true of all materials.

If there is a reason to constantly consume, like gear upkeep and consumables than supply will never stabilize especially with localized banking and markets. I mean even in WOW, as shitty as the economy is in that game. There is a clear price difference on BoE items and consumables on Tuesday(raid reset) over Sunday and Monday. This trend can be seen in almost any MMO with a Tuesday reset.

For sure, if there is an inconsistency between supply and demand, there will be a price difference.

Thing is, if the item is able to be produced year round, there won't be that inconsistency in supply.

This inconsistency will only really be a thing (on the supply side, at least) if the item is able to be grown some seasons, and not able to be grown at all in other seasons.

Leonerdo

I feel like this is one of those issues that's really going to require some testing, to see how the community/systems work together and reach an equilibrium.

But I also feel like 1 week per season is fine. It's the simplest way to do it. And it's easy to keep up with, in terms of matching real-life schedules.

Enigmatic Sage

@Daerax

True. We dont know how many times the day/night will cycle (it's Verra, not Earth

). I'm just making a speculation about the weather and seasonal change. Could be cool.
If the weather was the same on a specific day and time of the same season every year, that could be boring and easily predictable.

Could be interesting for them to do.

Volgaire

Always thought 2 weeks would be nicer to enjoy it a bit more, it might be adjusted once we get to testing it properly though.

Gubiak

Gentle Snow wrote: »

Always thought 2 weeks would be nicer to enjoy it a bit more, it might be adjusted once we get to testing it properly though.

Personally I agree. One week feels like rushing, people won't be even able to experience seasons properly imo. Additionally longer seasons would cause an extra layer of decisions for mayors potentially and make them check the calendar before dedicating funds to projects that might be not that useful or profitable during current 2 seasons they have as mayor.

Rhuell

One weekend of play per season seems perfect to me. From a gameplay standpoint, i would like to have a different season every time i'm able to log some serious hours.

That being said, having fluctuating weather and changing seasons at all satisfies me.

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