The death animation/Phoenix

Looks good but I don't like it.
Player corpses are nice and I think many, here or not, might feel the same.

Also it's too Marvelly. There will ALWAYS be that connection, a connection that breaks the 4th wall and is immersion breaking.

Suggestion:
When a player dies let it be a simple death. Let the body hit the floor. Let us loot the body.
As soon as the player hits "Respawn" let the animation with the incineration and the ashes play for a few seconds and then let the player respawn somewhere with the phoenix wings. Maintains the lore.

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Shoelid

I super love the direction the death animations are taking. SUPER NICE for a first iteration.

maouw

Can we please have a placeable gravestone?
I'd like to make fun of my friends when they die.

Biccus

The animation looks good and I do like how it fits the lore of the game. I don’t even mind if it was never planned and just added because it looks unique.

I’m not convinced with looting ash for items, it doesn’t feel quite right. Dropping something lootable would probably be my preference but I can’t say for sure how that'd feel either.

George_Black

Having read all the replies, at first I felt that people didn't read my post till the end.
I re-wrote a part to make my point more clear since I may have caused some confusion.

Vhaeyne

George Black wrote: »

Having read all the replies, at first I felt that people didn't read my post till the end.
I re-wrote a part to make my point more clear since I may have caused some confusion.

I actually like that idea a lot more. Having a normal death where the corpse goes to dust only upon respawning makes a ton of sense to me. Not only is it the best of both worlds, but it also allows for a bonus visual indicator that that person is respawning.

In addition it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense. Seeing that if you raised someone at that location all of the dust would have to magically restructure itself into a humanoid body (Which is possible, but more "Fantastical"). Having the corpse come back to life is something I would prefer.

McMackMuck

For a first iteration, the animation rocks. I feel it would look better if it took longer to resolve (*why*), but more than happy with what we have seen so far.

(*why*)
If was playing one of a bunch of DPS mages in a huge battle then I would love to see the ashes of a 100+ enemies linger in a castle chokepoint for several seconds before dissipating, just so that I would have a little time to revel in the magnitude of my actions before charging off into the next fracas. IMO it would be best if it were a fleeting moment of 2-3 seconds so that those present would have a memorable experience they could discuss afterwards.

Death animation is far from a deal breaker for me, I would accept something far less cool than what we've just been shown.

Saucisson

I'm sure this idea has been subtly whispered by a tech guy from the team who wanted to early-optimize the rendering by not having dozens of dead bodies in front of a node gate during PvP siege

It's still a cool idea though

George_Black

Vhaeyne wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Having read all the replies, at first I felt that people didn't read my post till the end.
I re-wrote a part to make my point more clear since I may have caused some confusion.

I actually like that idea a lot more. Having a normal death where the corpse goes to dust only upon respawning makes a ton of sense to me. Not only is it the best of both worlds, but it also allows for a bonus visual indicator that that person is respawning.

In addition it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense. Seeing that if you raised someone at that location all of the dust would have to magically restructure itself into a humanoid body (Which is possible, but more "Fantastical"). Having the corpse come back to life is something I would prefer.

To build upon this, if we go ahead with the current design, all notion of graveyards, crypts, catacombs, skeletons, dead and such, should go out the window when it comes to humanoids.

Rhuell

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I actually like that idea a lot more. Having a normal death where the corpse goes to dust only upon respawning makes a ton of sense to me. Not only is it the best of both worlds, but it also allows for a bonus visual indicator that that person is respawning.

In addition it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense. Seeing that if you raised someone at that location all of the dust would have to magically restructure itself into a humanoid body (Which is possible, but more "Fantastical"). Having the corpse come back to life is something I would prefer.

I personally like the idea of the dust reforming into a body.

Instead of jamming a soul back into a body, the revive spell would be more akin to a rewind. Probably not the intent, admittedly, but it's a neat idea.

Dreoh

George Black wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Having read all the replies, at first I felt that people didn't read my post till the end.
I re-wrote a part to make my point more clear since I may have caused some confusion.

I actually like that idea a lot more. Having a normal death where the corpse goes to dust only upon respawning makes a ton of sense to me. Not only is it the best of both worlds, but it also allows for a bonus visual indicator that that person is respawning.

In addition it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense. Seeing that if you raised someone at that location all of the dust would have to magically restructure itself into a humanoid body (Which is possible, but more "Fantastical"). Having the corpse come back to life is something I would prefer.

To build upon this, if we go ahead with the current design, all notion of graveyards, crypts, catacombs, skeletons, dead and such, should go out the window when it comes to humanoids.

Not necessarily, because as Steven explained, it's only the players and crew coming back into Verra and being blessed by the goddess of life that causes them to burn to ash and reconstitute.

There's probably plenty of crypts and skeletons left over from the things still living on Verra and the crypts and such that they left behind when they first left verra for sanctum

VmanGman

Vhaeyne wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Having read all the replies, at first I felt that people didn't read my post till the end.
I re-wrote a part to make my point more clear since I may have caused some confusion.

In addition it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense. Seeing that if you raised someone at that location all of the dust would have to magically restructure itself into a humanoid body.

Almost like a Phoenix rising from the ashes... you know like the whole premise of the game with its name being Ashes of Creation and having a Phoenix for its symbol.

I’m saying this to point out that your suggestion wouldn’t make resurrection spells make more sense... they already make a lot of sense within the premises of this fictional made up world that has its own set of rules which very clearly don’t line up with your preferred set of arbitrary rules.

Vhaeyne

VmanGman wrote: »

Almost like a Phoenix rising from the ashes... you know like the whole premise of the game with its name being Ashes of Creation and having a Phoenix for its symbol.

I’m saying this to point out that your suggestion wouldn’t make resurrection spells make more sense... they already make a lot of sense within the premises of this fictional made up world that has its own set of rules which very clearly don’t line up with your preferred set of arbitrary rules.

Neat.

Yet, people seem to agree with my take.

It is almost like part of conversing on forums is expressing personal opinions.

VmanGman

Vhaeyne wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

Almost like a Phoenix rising from the ashes... you know like the whole premise of the game with its name being Ashes of Creation and having a Phoenix for its symbol.

I’m saying this to point out that your suggestion wouldn’t make resurrection spells make more sense... they already make a lot of sense within the premises of this fictional made up world that has its own set of rules which very clearly don’t line up with your preferred set of arbitrary rules.

Neat.

Yet, people seem to agree with my take.

It is almost like part of conversing on forums is expressing personal opinions.

I’m sure some people do... welcome to the forums... you’ll come across all sorts of people and opinions. That doesn’t change the fact that a resurrection spell raising a body from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe... your suggestion doesn’t make more sense as you claimed.

Vhaeyne

VmanGman wrote: »

I’m sure some people do... welcome to the forums... you’ll come across all sorts of people and opinions. That doesn’t change the fact that a resurrection spell raising a body from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe... your suggestion doesn’t make more sense as you claimed.

Again, I never said it didn't make sense... I said @George Black 's idea made a ton of sense to me.

Are we going to have another round of you misrepresenting people, and looking for the worst interpretation of what people say?

VmanGman

Vhaeyne wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

I’m sure some people do... welcome to the forums... you’ll come across all sorts of people and opinions. That doesn’t change the fact that a resurrection spell raising a body from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe... your suggestion doesn’t make more sense as you claimed.

Again, I never said it didn't make sense... I said @George Black 's idea made a ton of sense to me.

Are we going to have another round of you misrepresenting people, and looking for the worst interpretation of what people say?

You literally said “it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense”. I’m not sure if you don’t understand what “make more sense” means, but it is a clear indication that you think the current design doesn’t make as much sense and that your suggestion would “make more sense”. As I pointed out the bodies rising from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

You can belittle my points and claim that I’m misrepresenting what you’re saying all you want, but that doesn’t change the facts. The current system makes perfect sense and your suggestion doesn’t “make more sense” within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

Tyranthraxus

I liked the concept, and the Alpha-stage animation wasn't bad, either!

Vhaeyne

VmanGman wrote: »

You literally said “it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense”. I’m not sure if you don’t understand what “make more sense” means, but it is a clear indication that you think the current design doesn’t make as much sense and that your suggestion would “make more sense”. As I pointed out the bodies rising from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

You can belittle my points and claim that I’m misrepresenting what you’re saying all you want, but that doesn’t change the facts. The current system makes perfect sense and your suggestion doesn’t “make more sense” within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

What else?

Dreoh

Vhaeyne wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

You literally said “it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense”. I’m not sure if you don’t understand what “make more sense” means, but it is a clear indication that you think the current design doesn’t make as much sense and that your suggestion would “make more sense”. As I pointed out the bodies rising from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

You can belittle my points and claim that I’m misrepresenting what you’re saying all you want, but that doesn’t change the facts. The current system makes perfect sense and your suggestion doesn’t “make more sense” within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

What else?

Well now you're just being dismissive

VmanGman

Vhaeyne wrote: »

VmanGman wrote: »

You literally said “it would make spells that raise the dead make more sense”. I’m not sure if you don’t understand what “make more sense” means, but it is a clear indication that you think the current design doesn’t make as much sense and that your suggestion would “make more sense”. As I pointed out the bodies rising from the ashes makes perfect sense within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

You can belittle my points and claim that I’m misrepresenting what you’re saying all you want, but that doesn’t change the facts. The current system makes perfect sense and your suggestion doesn’t “make more sense” within Ashes of Creation’s universe.

What else?

No that’s it. I only made one point. Did you have a hard time following the point? It’s really simple.

So petty...

Vhaeyne

Dreoh wrote: »

Well now you're just being dismissive

Yeah, I well the conversation is not going anywhere.
I think I have explained myself well enough on this topic.

I said like the animation, I gave a personal opinion on what I like more, and I agreed with someone else's opinion. There really is not much of a reason to engage with @VmanGman at this point. Last time he got board and stopped.

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