Class System, does it need Overhaul?

Hi, I was wondering about the class system. Reading from the wiki it said you can choose a main class and a secondary class but there will be no skill trees? So all people who choose the same classes will be identical in terms of abilities if we discount their race?

Additionally, would the character be the same if I swapped primary and secondary class with each other? For example if I went from Fighter primary and Mage secondary to Mage primary and Fighter secondary?

It might be worthwhile to make some sort of skill tree to give the player some sort of choice regarding rotation, abilities, aoe, single target, etc etc.

What do you think? Am I misinformed? Just joined the movement.

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Noaani

You are misinformed.

Talents

No, they wouldn't be identical. The secondary archetype gives you 4 augments trees, so the Mage archetype might have Lightning, Fire, Ice, Teleportation (not the actual augments, just an example). You can then apply one of the augment types to each spell. So if you're a Tank + Mage, you could apply the Fire augment to your Shield Bash, and the Lightning augment to your Charge, this allows a lot of variety.

Then there's also the case that you have skill points that you put into your skill tree, so some Tanks might put 3 points into their Charge ability, whereas other Tanks may forgo the Charge ability completely and put more points into other skills.

Then ontop of that, there are the augments that come from things outside your class like your Racial augments and your Religious augments.

And no, Fighter + Mage and Mage + Fighter would not be the same. The Fighter + Mage would have Fighter spells with Mage augments and the Mage + Fighter would have Mage spells with Fighter augments. The primary archetype dictates what you actually are, the secondary archetype adds flavour.

Palagos

Talents, thank you for the helpful answer!

Noaani

Palagos wrote: »

Talents, thank you for the helpful answer!

I would suggest spending more time on the wiki, as the above are not the only places you seem misinformed.

That is why I simply replied that you are indeed misinformed (which was a direct question you asked), because attempting to correct all aspects that you seem to have wrong will take far too long.

Palagos

Yeah thanks mate, it just came off a bit rude as you didn't contribute anything. If you just wrote what you did here I would understand what you meant with it. Cheers

Dreoh

Noaani wrote: »

Palagos wrote: »

Talents, thank you for the helpful answer!

I would suggest spending more time on the wiki, as the above are not the only places you seem misinformed.

That is why I simply replied that you are indeed misinformed (which was a direct question you asked), because attempting to correct all aspects that you seem to have wrong will take far too long.

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@Palagos
Yea there's supposedly going to be very high levels of customization when making your class, there are some issues that could potentially happen with that that I go into detail in my recent thread, but really you won't have to worry too much about not having a character you can tailor to your own kind of play.

Noaani

I'm not sure what your confusion here is.

The wiki is a perfectly fine place to go to get a basic understanding of the game.

It is not a particularly good thing to use as a source in a debate on the game. You want first party sources for that.

Ferni

@Palagos , I think @Talents already explained very good the basics of how it works but if you are interested in read more about it you can go to the Classes page on the Wiki ^^.

Nagash

The pain never ends

Palagos

@Ferni Thanks man, I gave it a read and found it interesting but sad to see that only a few of the classes have their augments and abilities specified. Will be very interesting to see the upcoming death augment from Cleric!

Palagos

Also, Tank stun lock burst seems broken haha, charge with knockup + stun + knockdown

Caeryl

The game literally has not even gotten to open public testing, why are you even making a thread like this

neuroguy

Nagash wrote: »

The pain never ends

Eternal undeath. Careful what you wish for.

Palagos

@Caeryl If you look at OP you can read that I was initially misinformed regarding the class system, for example I thought there would be no skill tree at all. With that "knowledge" I decided to post this thread in order to either give my opinion on why skill trees are necessary and to learn more, or simply just to learn more, which I did.

You can also read that I literally just joined the movement for this game, so I don't understand the hostility coming from you at all. I am just excited for the game and want to know more/help make it better mate, and that's why I created the thread, no evil motives.

Edit: Sentence structure

BobzUrUncle

Caeryl wrote: »

The game literally has not even gotten to open public testing, why are you even making a thread like this

This!

Dreoh

Damn, why are so many of you being so unwelcoming to newcomers to the community?

Yes we get the occasional repeat thread, there's no way around that.

You can either ignore it, or help quickly point them in the right direction and be done with it.
Imagine if the first reply by Noanni was at the very least "You've got the wrong info, but here's a link to the wiki where you can find out more"

Then bam, thread closed.

Instead we get this trailing dialogue where people are insulting and just being outright rude which sidetracks and extends the thread far beyond the lifespan it would have had. Meanwhile the actual answers are slowly trickled in between the negative comments.

maouw

Dreoh wrote: »

Damn, why are so many of you being so unwelcoming to newcomers to the community?

Yes we get the occasional repeat thread, there's no way around that.

You can either ignore it, or help quickly point them in the right direction and be done with it.
Imagine if the first reply by Noanni was at the very least "You've got the wrong info, but here's a link to the wiki where you can find out more"

Then bam, thread closed.

Instead we get this trailing dialogue where people are insulting and just being outright rude which sidetracks and extends the thread far beyond the lifespan it would have had. Meanwhile the actual answers are slowly trickled in between the negative comments.

yus.
save the outrage for when it's necessary.

Noaani

Dreoh wrote: »

You can either ignore it, or help quickly point them in the right direction and be done with it.
Imagine if the first reply by Noanni was at the very least "You've got the wrong info, but here's a link to the wiki where you can find out more"

Why would Iink him to the wiki?

If you read the OP, it was basically "I read the wiki, this is what I think it said in relation to classes, am I right or am I misinformed?".

I answered that he was misinformed.

I didnt need to link the wiki, as he already knew about it. Linking it after the OP said he had already read it would be - in my opinion - facetious.

With what the OP said, pointing out that he was misinformed was all that was needed - especially considering he specifically asked whether that was the case.

From there, he would be in a position to just go back to the wiki and continue reading - which one would have to assume was his plan of he was indeed informed that he was misinformed.

Dreoh

Bro, do you just get off on being contradictory and negative?

JamesSunderland

I'm kinda interested on where in the wiki OP found the info used in his original post or if he just straight up misunderstood what he read there....

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