Should max raid difficulty be as hard as wow mythic raiding?

Ashes of Creation will have dynamic difficulty. That means the difficulty will scale depending on how well your raid performs. The better you perform a boss in the raid, the harder next bosses will be and thus awarding better loot for completing the extra challange.

In world of warcraft, you can choose between normal, heroic and mythic. About 50% of the community complete normal, about 10-15% complete heroic and 1% manage to complete mythic.

I wondered, do you think highest difficulty in AoC should be similar to world of warcraft? Or should it be harder/easier? For reference, Ill link a 5 minute boss strategy video for the second boss in the current raid on mythic difficulty.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dLq7OJm4GXQ&ab_channel=LimitGuild

How do you feel about this amount of mechanics for a boss fight? Is it too much? Does it feel to complicated? Or is it just right? Note, that a majority of the mechanics from "heroic" mode are still here, and are being ignored in the video. There are about 2x as many mechanics in total in addition to everything in the video.

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Biccus

Should AoC raids be as hard as WoW mythics raids? No, probably not.
AoC will not be able to have the same competitive PvE level as WoW's mythic content, that's simple. So making the encounters as hard doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I haven't played games with open world raids with open world PvP so it's just my imagination, but I can't believe those bosses could have mechanics as punishing as mythics, where a couple of mistakes and that's it. everyone wipes and you have to try again.

zammwich

Not really a fan of different levels of difficulty for the same encounters, there should just be higher difficulty on more prestigious bosses.

Handsome Jakx

I see personally nothing wrong with the standard easy/normal/hard/insane difficulties in raids. Not to be seen as a cruch to keep doors open to people who have a difficult time learning mechanics, it is more important to enjoy and learn while playing instead of getting your fave constantly melted because you don't understand it yet.

akabear

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

I see personally nothing wrong with the standard easy/normal/hard/insane difficulties in raids. Not to be seen as a cruch to keep doors open to people who have a difficult time learning mechanics, it is more important to enjoy and learn while playing instead of getting your fave constantly melted because you don't understand it yet.

I think that was the intention already laid out for some areas but perhaps not the literal click a button / pull a level to decide approach but more a dynamic changing difficulty based on actions during a raid.

Vhaeyne

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

I see personally nothing wrong with the standard easy/normal/hard/insane difficulties in raids. Not to be seen as a cruch to keep doors open to people who have a difficult time learning mechanics, it is more important to enjoy and learn while playing instead of getting your fave constantly melted because you don't understand it yet.

The issue is not the difficulties. It is correctly rewarding the difficulties. Correctly rewarding multiple difficulties creates massive power gaps, and large amounts of power creep.

Noaani

akabear wrote: »

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

I see personally nothing wrong with the standard easy/normal/hard/insane difficulties in raids. Not to be seen as a cruch to keep doors open to people who have a difficult time learning mechanics, it is more important to enjoy and learn while playing instead of getting ¹ fave constantly melted because you don't understand it yet.

I think that was the intention already laid out for some areas but perhaps not the literal click a button / pull a level to decide approach but more a dynamic changing difficulty based on actions during a raid.

Indeed.

I am not at all a fan of selecting a difficulty from a drop down list.

However, having specific things you can do to make some specific encounters more difficult (and increase their rewards) is all good.

In fact, this is a feature of.my single favorite raid encounter of any game. It has 4 options that the raid can take, each option adding a specific mechanic to the fight. Raids can opt to take any one of these four mechanics for the easy version of the encounter. Or they can opt to take any two of them for a harder version, any three of them for a harder still version, or a four mechanics for the hardest version.

Rewards from the encounter are based on how many mechanics your raid opts to go up against.

maouw

I agree, I'm not a fan of a drop-down select difficulty menu.
The current vision is a more rounded experience.

akabear

I cannot comment on the scale of a WoW raid of any kind, so thoughts are independent of the OP question.
But I am very keen to have certain item scarcity in the game linked to difficulty of obtaining items and if that means that there is varying degrees of difficulty with the top bosses near unobtainable but for a few, so long as the drops are not bind on pickup, I`m all for it!

Risk vs reward, Effort vs reward, Time vs reward, Team play vs reward

Handsome Jakx

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Handsome Jakx wrote: »

I see personally nothing wrong with the standard easy/normal/hard/insane difficulties in raids. Not to be seen as a cruch to keep doors open to people who have a difficult time learning mechanics, it is more important to enjoy and learn while playing instead of getting your fave constantly melted because you don't understand it yet.

The issue is not the difficulties. It is correctly rewarding the difficulties. Correctly rewarding multiple difficulties creates massive power gaps, and large amounts of power creep.

Gotcha misunderstood the topic! Clearly not enough coffee 😂 I prefer a rounded experience. But I can understand the harder the fight the beter the loot.

Cataphract

Hopefully the AoC devs aren't building the type of content that require "combat trackers" to progress through the game. Requiring combat rotations and positions optimized down to an exact science otherwise be excluded is terribly un-immersive. Major raids shouldn't require every single person knowing what they are doing right out the gate, because all that does is discourage social interaction by excluding your more casual players. And before someone says casuals shouldn't be raiding, casuals did raid when the concept was first made mainstream by Everquest. You didn't have to spend hours/days watching Youtube videos or having your rotation scrutinized to fight Innoruuk or Trakanon. You mostly just needed a decent set of gear and time.

Cypher

I want raids that are extremely difficult to beat and take weeks, even months before parties figure out a winning strategy. Problem with today’s gaming landscape is everything is made for carebears and instant-gratification seekers. Bring back the challenge to gaming.

McShave

I think WoW Mythic raiding difficulty is too hard. I'm ok with difficult, but when there is a mechanic where one person can wipe the entire raid instantly, so everyone needs to play mechanically perfect or you're doing the same boss with the same mechanics for weeks on end. It is just too much, especially when there is going to be 40 people.

I am very excited for the boss ability AI system, hopefully it keeps dungeon delving an interesting part of the game, more than just farming materials.

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