I really don't like how players turn into ash when they die

I just want to say I saw one of Ashes of Creation streams a couple months ago and there's one part that really bugged me. I really hate how players turn to ash when they die. I honestly think that is going to make a very boring and empty battlefield during encounters. I really hate disappearing corpses in games, obviously they need to disappear at some point but WoW does it really great, your corpse turns into a skeleton after resurrecting which I think is super sick. I feel like ashes would be better off just leaving corpses or bones instead of ash for a more gruesome and epic aftermath.

I really like to see the aftermath of a battle, it's almost as fun as the battle itself for me and seeing the carnage really amazes me a lot of the time. Leaving some dust and shadows after a raid wipe or a big PvP event sounds very lame to me and not at all exciting and I'd really hope that you guys would consider having actual corpses instead of fading to ash, thank you for reading my post.

Edit: To compromise with the people disagreeing, just keep the current animation because I doubt the devs will remove it. Instead of fading to dust, have the skin, meat, etc burn to ash but not the skeleton. This way we can have a very satisfying aftermath of a battle or raid wipe and it will also make the animation look even better.

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Saedu

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

It is going to be really cool when you kill someone with a big ice attack and they turn into flaming ashes.
That shit is going to be chill AF.

Interesting.
So the body is not going to hit the ground first before turning to ash? Your wording makes it sound like how vampires die in many movies/shows where they turn to ash relatively quickly upon death

So.... were all vampires in this game. Hmmm...

Lloyd

Khronus wrote: »

Lloyd wrote: »

At first I thought this was silly and stupid to complain about, but after I read your description, it made me really want to see a battlefield of corpses, then maybe after a player respawns it turns to ash.

The ash is the corpse. It will still be littered with what is clearly dead players.

I'm aware of that, but its not the same feeling.

Rejected Galaxy

Enigmatic Sage wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

It is going to be really cool when you kill someone with a big ice attack and they turn into flaming ashes.
That shit is going to be chill AF.

Interesting.
So the body is not going to hit the ground first before turning to ash? Your wording makes it sound like how vampires die in many movies/shows where they turn to ash relatively quickly upon death

Yeah, as you're falling to your death your body quickly evaporates into ash. If this was just the animation to clear bodies that have been around for awhile I wouldn't be complaining but it's an instant thing, I don't really like that.

Shoelid

I wouldn't be too concerned about artistic choices this early in development

Khronus

Lloyd wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Lloyd wrote: »

At first I thought this was silly and stupid to complain about, but after I read your description, it made me really want to see a battlefield of corpses, then maybe after a player respawns it turns to ash.

The ash is the corpse. It will still be littered with what is clearly dead players.

I'm aware of that, but its not the same feeling.

You are experiencing a feeling prior to the launch of the game and actually experiencing that feeling. Time travel is one hell of a drug.

George_Black

I would rather the animation play on a dead body on the ground, when the player hits the respawn button.
With the current animation, skeletons zombies, cemetarys should not exist. Everything becomes ash.

But I think Steven is very into it so I don't think there will be a change.

tautau

So perhaps necro/dark crafters who are making a piece of jewelry or armor that increases the damage of their undead summon would need, as an ingredient, ashes of the dead. The directions for crafting might include the sentence 'Add the ashes of three cleric/cleric dead killed in combat.....'

Or, when crafting an Orb of Holiness for clerics, 'Add the ashes of three necromancer mages....'

Both of these would mean that hunting players would be a part of the crafting process...ashes of corrupted players for a BH quest, ashes of Bounty Hunters for the quest to reduce your PK count....

Asgerr

George Black wrote: »

I would rather the animation play on a dead body on the ground, when the player hits the respawn button.
With the current animation, skeletons zombies, cemetarys should not exist. Everything becomes ash.

But I think Steven is very into it so I don't think there will be a change.

Well considering that the world was left for dead for millenia, and only now are races coming back to it, there won't be any cemeteries already in place. I am unsure if it is a matter of us heroes being blessed and therefore turning to ash, or even NPCs? After all we don't die and actually come back to life, so it makes sense that we don't have cemeteries.

Perhaps the Tulnar, who didn't leave and seemingly aren't blessed by the same god of creation, won't turn to ash and instead leave a corpse.

Also, with magic being magic, I would't dispute a necromancer recomposing a human from its ashes. Could even make it so zombies have an ashy appearance, and maybe their skin crackles and breaks off like ash from a cigarette as they get hit. Would also help explain why a zombie pet would vanish upon death. Instead of decomposing it crumbles to a pile of ash again.

Noaani

I mean, the game is Ashes of Creation, not Bones of Creation.

George_Black

So why do we have necromancers for? To summon dusty ghosts? Nah

Asgerr

George Black wrote: »

So why do we have necromancers for? To summon dusty ghosts? Nah

To literally quote myself from two posts above yours:

Asgerr wrote: »

Also, with magic being magic, I would't dispute a necromancer recomposing a human from its ashes. Could even make it so zombies have an ashy appearance, and maybe their skin crackles and breaks off like ash from a cigarette as they get hit. Would also help explain why a zombie pet would vanish upon death. Instead of decomposing it crumbles to a pile of ash again.

Khronus

Noaani wrote: »

I mean, the game is Ashes of Creation, not Bones of Creation.

Everyone wants a new MMO that puts all other mmos to bed but then want everything from all the other mmos they have played in the past. Where is the opportunity for Intrepid to create something truly unique?

GiVe Me SkElLiNgToNs!¿!

@Asgerr Ashen zombies and Ashen skeletons would be fantastic and something that I don't think has been done. People are ok with reviving a corpse back to normal life but can't wrap their brains around combusting upon death in a game called Ashes of Creation.

Enigmatic Sage

Interesting.
Just checked it out on the ashesofcreation.wiki/Player_death

There is a death animation clip on the side of the page. It doesn't look bad to me. Neat how they progressively disintegrate as they collapse to the ground during the animation.

It does suggest that there will be a pile of ash to loot from and a rebirth effect from those ashes. Very cool sounding.

bloodprophet

That's the video some people are upset over.
As Khronus said we are all here for something different but every time they show something different people freak out. Interesting and sad at the same time how people want change but then fear it at the same time.

Dreoh

A battlefield littered with human-shaped ash piles will give the same impression.

Asgerr wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

So why do we have necromancers for? To summon dusty ghosts? Nah

To literally quote myself from two posts above yours:

Asgerr wrote: »

Also, with magic being magic, I would't dispute a necromancer recomposing a human from its ashes. Could even make it so zombies have an ashy appearance, and maybe their skin crackles and breaks off like ash from a cigarette as they get hit. Would also help explain why a zombie pet would vanish upon death. Instead of decomposing it crumbles to a pile of ash again.

Also keep in mind that it's apparently only immigrants from Sanctus that turn to ash, since it's a byproduct of them being blessed by the goddess of life iirc

Which begs the question, do Tulnar turn to ash?

Rejected Galaxy

To just reply to everyone disagreeing with me I feel like there can be a very fair compromise. One that will satisfy people who like gore and also to the people who like it how it currently is.

Just keep the current animation, I really doubt the devs will remove it because they seemed really proud of it. But instead of turning into a pile of dust, just have all the skin, meat, etc fade to ash but leave behind a fully intact skeleton. This will not only leave behind a satisfying battlefield but also will make the animation look even better rather than seeing someone get cremated in front of you everytime someone dies.

Recluse74

I would be willing to bet it is about system resources, and making even larger scale battles possible. They are striving to get 250 v 250 or higher when it comes to large scale PvP, and that would not be possible if you have to have dead bodies still drawn at the same time. The graphics lag would be a nightmare for people who have PCs that run the game on lower end graphics just to play PvE stuff.. let alone participate in large scale PvP.

Noaani

Recluse74 wrote: »

I would be willing to bet it is about system resources, and making even larger scale battles possible.

I mean, while this is possible, they could just do what many games do and leave nothing at all once the player has respawned.

My guess is it is all to do with the games lore. We have been told there is a lore-based reason for us being able to be resurrected and such, and my guess is that this is a part of it - in conjunction with the whole phoenix thing and, like, creation coming from ashes and stuff.

Vhaeyne

Recluse74 wrote: »

I would be willing to bet it is about system resources, and making even larger scale battles possible. They are striving to get 250 v 250 or higher when it comes to large scale PvP, and that would not be possible if you have to have dead bodies still drawn at the same time. The graphics lag would be a nightmare for people who have PCs that run the game on lower end graphics just to play PvE stuff.. let alone participate in large scale PvP.

I am very skeptical about this point. When designing a mass combat system you assume that all of the players are going to be active and animated as much as possible. Dead bodies or ashes is going to be easier to handle than the full roster of active players that are expected.

It is not like the designers are hoping that as combat goes on performance of the game will improve.

Dreoh

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Recluse74 wrote: »

I would be willing to bet it is about system resources, and making even larger scale battles possible. They are striving to get 250 v 250 or higher when it comes to large scale PvP, and that would not be possible if you have to have dead bodies still drawn at the same time. The graphics lag would be a nightmare for people who have PCs that run the game on lower end graphics just to play PvE stuff.. let alone participate in large scale PvP.

I am very skeptical about this point. When designing a mass combat system you assume that all of the players are going to be active and animated as much as possible. Dead bodies or ashes is going to be easier to handle than the full roster of active players that are expected.

It is not like the designers are hoping that as combat goes on performance of the game will improve.

Well, that depends on if the ash trail stays after you're revived or not

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