Instead of family summon, do this

Family summon brings 10000 problems. Instead, why not have a summoning stone in towns you can build with other players. This way you work towards an epic goal, and it is more immersive to summon your friends. The game will be massive, and the scale is epic. Dont ruin it with meaningless loading screens and teleports everywhere. Make summoning unique.

Also, this system cant be exploited as easily as family summon.

What do you think, should a village lvl 3 node have the option to build a summoning stone

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Yuyukoyay

Ever play Elder Scrolls Oblivion? It's going to have as much fast travel as that if they don't remove it. The game doesn't need fast travel at all of any kind except for the last upgrade of a node. That's only because it's a potentially cool gimmick to give such a high level node. I'd rather not even have that.

You know what you should have to do when you want to play with friends. Hold W the entire time. That's it. You are never going to be in a position to where you are far enough that the game needs a system as broken as a teleport to be in the game.

There is something a lot of people don't even consider when they think family summoning is a good idea. When you start the game you are going to get a free teleport to one of the many alters in the world. So you are literally never going to be that far away from close friends at any point.

Without fast travel that breaks up premade guilds and makes the world fresher. Which completely stops zergs in the world before the game has a chance to mature.

It would be stupid even if it had a month long cooldown. I doubt the current iteration has anything close to that.

tautau

If you want to party with your friends, there is another option that works pretty well.

Plan Ahead.

As in, an email that says 'Let's play Saturday PM 2:00 CST, move your toon to the city hall of Yuyuville and don't be late.'

Nagash

tautau wrote: »

If you want to party with your friends, there is another option that works pretty well.

Plan Ahead.

As in, an email that says 'Let's play Saturday PM 2:00 CST, move your toon to the city hall of Yuyuville and don't be late.'

Just like the good old times of getting a D&D game organised

Yuyukoyay

Nagash wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

If you want to party with your friends, there is another option that works pretty well.

Plan Ahead.

As in, an email that says 'Let's play Saturday PM 2:00 CST, move your toon to the city hall of Yuyuville and don't be late.'

Just like the good old times of getting a D&D game organised

You guys late I'll break your fucking kneecaps. xD

Nagash

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

If you want to party with your friends, there is another option that works pretty well.

Plan Ahead.

As in, an email that says 'Let's play Saturday PM 2:00 CST, move your toon to the city hall of Yuyuville and don't be late.'

Just like the good old times of getting a D&D game organised

You guys late I'll break your fucking kneecaps. xD

Gods you sound like my DM

MintJam

I see at least 1 possible way to abuse the family summon mechanic, if I understood it correctly. So 8 people per family and anyone in that family can summon all the other family members to their location. I would believe that a meta would develop where the guild assigns the families so that the family is a well-coordinated task force whose members harmonize with each other. Now let's say that the guild forms parties that all have 1 member from each different family. Let's say that there are 8 people per party. That 8 people suddenly becomes 64 people when they initiate the family summoning. I also noticed a mass cloaking spell that made a group of people invisible. Now imagine that singular party cloaking and sneaking to a strategic position, then summoning their family members.

If something can be abused, it will be, and this mechanic will be abused constantly.

So what can be done to fix these issues?
1. You aren't able to summon family members if you are in a party that has non-family members? This would not work since people would just leave the party and still coordinate the summoning without being in a party.
2. Making the summon a long and visible process to other players? I think this is one of the best alternatives. By giving other players a visual cue if someone is being summoned will diminish the tactical advantage that this summon mechanic can give. A sound cue might also be necessary since seeing a visual effect of the summoning indoors might be impossible. Furthermore, the summon mechanic should summon 1 family member at a time with time between each family member, so that a horde of enemy players can't just suddenly appear.
3. Giving summoned family members a debuff for a short duration? This would also diminish the tactical combat value of the family summon, if it's with a combination of the 2nd suggestion. As the family summon mechanic should only be used as a tool for friends to gather together for their play session, it should make it almost impossible to be used as a tool to gain a combat/tactical advantage. By giving debuffs to summoned players, the summon can't be used to rescue players or to gain sudden numbers advantage.
4. Placing summoning stones in key locations? This would make it so that there are fewer ways to abuse the mechanic, but it could still be used to gain an advantage by itself. This idea could be combined with other suggestions. On a personal note, I found it cool to see a summoning/teleportation device in the city center in the first season of Sword Art Online. As others suggested, it could be integrated into the node progression and be buildable by the mayor. There could be quests that are unlocked with node progression that allows players to discover more summoning stones across the node. This would make it so that in the early game, the summoning feature has fewer opportunities to be used, but more in the later stages. These summoning stones would increase the leveling time of nodes compared to the system that was mentioned. The negative effect would be griefing. Some people might purposely camp near summoning stones to take advantage of their limited time vulnerability. Of course, this is somewhat preventable with the corruption system.

I also believe that once a player has been summoned once, there should be a long cooldown period to be summoned again. For example, this prevents abusing the teleportation for fast travel, where family members would be scattered across the map in key locations, giving an advantage to some members for completing quests.

Dygz

Like Corruption...we will just have to wait til we can play and see what it's actually like.

MintJam

Personally, I don't think summoning should be in the game. If you want to play with your friends, then plan that before the next game session, so that you can be at the same place at a certain time. Like in the real world where you at some point in your life have arranged meetings with your friends or colleagues etc. Maybe this game could actually teach something valuable to players, like time management, being on time, managing your schedule. Things many people don't have in the real world, unfortunately.
Sure it's a video game, but it still feels stupid.

Noaani

Marzzo wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Bricktop wrote: »

Just take it out of the game, we don't need summons.

This gets my vote.

Imaging wanting to play with your friends, but you simply cant, you are too far away from them. Big move

Imagine calling people that dont wait for you to log in "friends".

Ratzu

What if you have (1) a long cooldown on family summons, somewhere between 48-72 hours, (2) the summon must be set at a fixed location (at the center of a node?), (3) changing that location triggers a long cooldown, (4) you cannot bring more than a certain carry weight, (5) the items you bring are temporarily locked to your player and are untradeable outside of the family for 48-72 hours, and (6) you cannot leave your family frequently and without cost.

The carry weight threshold would permit you to bring your own armor/weapons/consumables, but would restrict the player from abusing the summon to transport traded goods across the map. The restriction on trading functions the same way, while allowing trading between members of the family so that you can outfit your party for adventure. Intrepid could simply patch the weight of an item if abuse becomes prevalent. What this also accomplishes is ensuring that players are not bringing armor for sale, because then they would not have their own equipment equipped. It also ensures that players are using the summon hub as a meeting point only and would not permit tactical use by allowing summoning into a field of combat. A penalty for changing families ensures players do not enter into a family lightly, and also creates community pressure toward guild loyalty.

I think that the system is important to allow players with different schedules to play independently without feeling as though they are creating problems for their group, but still allow the group to meet up easily when everyone logs on. Punishing the more active players feels bad, just as punishing the community by permitting abuse of the family summon system feels bad.

Just spitballing here.

Hemlocked

Dreoh wrote: »

Just make it so you get some corruption if you teleport along with not being able to bring materials along

Pretty sure they already said you won't be able to bring mats

Dygz

MintJam wrote: »

Personally, I don't think summoning should be in the game. If you want to play with your friends, then plan that before the next game session, so that you can be at the same place at a certain time. Like in the real world where you at some point in your life have arranged meetings with your friends or colleagues etc. Maybe this game could actually teach something valuable to players, like time management, being on time, managing your schedule. Things many people don't have in the real world, unfortunately.
Sure it's a video game, but it still feels stupid.

Personally, I don't think magic should be in the game.
Maybe this game could actually teach something valuable to players, like, science.

Dreoh

Hemlocked wrote: »

Dreoh wrote: »

Just make it so you get some corruption if you teleport along with not being able to bring materials along

Pretty sure they already said you won't be able to bring mats

that's why I said "along with"

daveywavey

Vhaeyne wrote: »

The idea of limiting the summon to a location is good, but it could be improved. Maybe if the family summon was only at a "Family Hearth" which would be built in a house in one of the family members homes. As a way of bringing family members back home if they wander too far from home.

I just want this family summon crap to be nerfed into the ground or removed. Any sensible idea that nerfs it has my vote.

Re-posting this, just in the hopes it gets seen again.

If we absolutely have to have the Family Summon, which I'd love to see gone the way of the Tulnar, then an implementation like this would be my preference.

Dygz

LMAO
Let's nerf Corruption until it's non-existent, too.
Better, yet, let's nerf PvP til it's like it is in New World.

daveywavey

Dygz wrote: »

LMAO
Let's nerf Corruption until it's non-existent, too.
Better, yet, let's nerf PvP til it's like it is in New World.

Corruption and PvP are an integral part of the game design, as is the concept of No Fast Travel and Meaningful Journey Times. Getting rid of Family Summon fits those values.

Vhaeyne

Dygz wrote: »

LMAO
Let's nerf Corruption until it's non-existent, too.

Full loot! Count me in!

Dygz wrote: »

Better, yet, let's nerf PvP til it's like it is in New World.

New World... Count me out...

Dygz

daveywavey wrote: »

Corruption and PvP are an integral part of the game design, as is the concept of No Fast Travel and Meaningful Journey Times. Getting rid of Family Summon fits those values.

Except, No Fast Travel is not an integral part of the Ashes game design.
Limited fast travel is a core concept - Family Summons, as designed, fits the values of that core concept.

That being said, with all the current restrictions on Family Summons, I don't understand the circumstances under which people will choose to use it.

daveywavey

Dygz wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Corruption and PvP are an integral part of the game design, as is the concept of No Fast Travel and Meaningful Journey Times. Getting rid of Family Summon fits those values.

Except, No Fast Travel is not an integral part of the Ashes game design.
Limited fast travel is a core concept - Family Summons, as designed, fits the values of that core concept.

That being said, with all the current restrictions on Family Summons, I don't understand the circumstances under which people will choose to use it.

I've seen your comments on threads before. I'm not getting into a year-long debate with you.

Dygz

Wise of you to concede early.

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