Criminals and how to deal with them, should there be a long term penalty

Ok so of course everyone has the right to make a mistake here and there, and shouldn't be branded a felon their whole life.

With that being said there are a certain type of dirtbags out there, that aren't enjoying the game unless they're killing and stealing thier own players.

Now from what I understand you will be able to work off corruption over time and when you die I think you lose some.
But At that point that person the "special" person will just go back and grief again and again rinse and repeat.

Should Kills add up over time and never be able to be removed like any criminal record, and if you rack up enough of these violations have some more serious consequences?

Now all people should have a right to retsore their good name or at least a name in some cases, so if they were tired of the penalties from their criminal days, possibly 1 way to earn back good favor would to pay restitution to it's victims, nothing absurd but a small token of money they've to pay before losing some of that reputation they earned.

That's just 1 thought, I would like to hear you thoughts and if you should be able to commt crimes and have the chance to start a new, or if there should be some lasting consequences.

Thank you for reading.

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khitomer

There should be a caveat in place where if you stay at max corruption long enough without being killed despite being in combat, it resets your corruption to zero or near zero.

This as a way to reward those few exceptional pvp players who manage to somehow survive being hunted and killed by bounty hunters, and can avoid losing their gear.

Dygz

tautau wrote: »

Oh, there will be scammers and the such, so perhaps we can call them 'evil'. You know, people who want to borrow a newbie's weapon to 'try it out' and then steal it, and other type of loser behavior. But I know that isn't what the OP was referring to as Evil.

I mean that's really only possible with a newbie to MMORPGs....really a newbie to multiplayer games.

Reminds me of when I was playing Vanilla EQ with my GF. I was off doing some higher level content when I heard my GF calling for help. She had left the safe area where I told her to hunt and died.
As I ran to get to her corpse, she said, "Oh! Never mind. Some nice person asked me to give him rights to loot my corpse so he can give me his stuff."
"What NICE PERSON??!!!"
"I don't know. He was just nearby and offered to help me."
"That NICE PERSON could steal all your stuff!!!"
"Oh, no. Who would do such a thing? Nobody would really do that would they?"

LMAO

Dygz

khitomer wrote: »

There should be a caveat in place where if you stay at max corruption long enough without being killed despite being in combat, it resets your corruption to zero or near zero.

This as a way to reward those few exceptional pvp players who manage to somehow survive being hunted and killed by bounty hunters, and can avoid losing their gear.

Well, it wouldn't be a simple timer. And it definitely would not be a reset to zero or near zero.
Unlikely to happen, though, since the devs are not rewarding being Corrupted.

tautau

I don't think that there is a 'max corruption,' it keeps adding up.

If they have high corruption then they lose their fighting abilities. Personally, I like that. High corruption ought to be punished, not rewarded as Mr. @khitomer suggests.

khitomer

I didnt suggest rewarding high corruption.

I suggested resetting it if the player somehow (incredibly) manages to survive multiple attempts to kill them while they have high corruption.

Hence it would likely happen only rarely and reward skill more than anything.

Big difference.

Kivek RhuKhan

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Dygz

khitomer wrote: »

I didnt suggest rewarding high corruption.

I suggested resetting it if the player somehow (incredibly) manages to survive multiple attempts to kill them while they have high corruption.

Hence it would likely happen only rarely and reward skill more than anything.

Big difference.

Corruption won't be rewarded at all.

Sathrago

khitomer wrote: »

I didnt suggest rewarding high corruption.

I suggested resetting it if the player somehow (incredibly) manages to survive multiple attempts to kill them while they have high corruption.

Hence it would likely happen only rarely and reward skill more than anything.

Big difference.

The designers of the game want pvpers to go and use the pvp systems that reward them for participation. Corruption is a punishment for engaging in non-consensual pvp, the thing they do not want promote. Attacking other players in the open world is allowed, but if you kill someone that does not fight back then that is not pvp, that is slaughter and they do not want you doing that without repercussion.

khitomer

The condition in itself will make some who enjoy and appreciate that kind of content (griefing, etc) to try to push the limits of the restriction as a form of challenge.

This is the whole reason why there will be guilds of bounty hunters policing the rule.

Anyone who can gain high corruption, be hunted, and survive, will be considered a god among men.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

I suggested resetting it if the player somehow (incredibly) manages to survive multiple attempts to kill them while they have high corruption.

A player having friends attack them and lose is not incredible.

That is all that would be needed to reset your corruption to zero under your proposal here.

So, that's a hard no.

khitomer

Kinda like trying to police win trading.

There will always be bounty hunters who are not your friends gunning for you if you have corruption.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Kinda like trying to police win trading.

There will always be bounty hunters who are not your friends gunning for you if you have corruption.

Yeah, so lets just design a game with all these exploits in it!

Edit to add, since you guys don't seem to know anything: cheating in an instanced PvP setting is nothing. No one cares, all that is at stake are the rewards from that instanced PvP setting.

Open world games are not like this. There is far more to be gained, and so far more of a reason to do this kind of bullshit, meaning far more of a reason to design it out of the game.

Equating instanced PvP exploiting to open world anything just shows the lack of understanding you guys have.

khitomer

Yawn.. you puritans are so tiresome.

I was just thinking of adding an extra dimension to a mechanic which currently only has a one way reward, whereas if the corrupted player is of exceptional skill, they could also have an avenue of reward in that their gear doesnt get yoinked as a result of dying while corrupted.

Yes, its in the game this way for a reason, and youre always going to get some players who will get corruption and will be hunted, so why not make it interesting and fun for both parties.

You dont have to turn it into some kind of self-aggrandizing posturing narrative.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

Yes, its in the game this way for a reason, and youre always going to get some players who will get corruption and will be hunted, so why not make it interesting and fun for both parties.

If you do not find the current mechanics around corruption interesting, why are you insisting on gaining corruption?

khitomer

Im not insisting on anything.

Im saying corruption is part of the game, for a reason, and there will be players who get corruption and players who will want to seek out and kill them.

Thats part of the game, so the being a corrupted player side of the equation should also have some extra test of skill as part of risk versus reward.

Think of it as having the possibility, however remote, of getting away with it by the skin of your teeth.

99/100 times you wont, but that one time that you do could be a highlight of your time played.

Maybe the corruption could begin to go down after an accumulated total of x combat time with same level or higher players.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

99/100 times you wont, but that one time that you do could be a highlight of your time played.

Except that 99/100 people will cheese the mechanic to remove corruption.

Even *if* a mechanic was desired to perform the function you are suggesting, the mechanic you have suggested is not robust enough to even be considered.

khitomer

Again, you cant control having bounty hunters come after you who are not in on some exploit.

And thats your opinion and thats fine.

You know what they say about opinions...

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

You know what they say about opinions...

I know what they say about people that think all peoples opinions are equal, does that count?

And while you can't control bounty hunters, they are going to be fairly few and far between,, so you also can't rely on them to solve this issue.

khitomer

Noaani wrote: »

I know what they say about people that think all peoples opinions are equal, does that count?

You can feel superior about it all you like... to me you just look like a five year old whos afraid of having a promised toy taken away from them.

So far the player base response to the bounty hunting rp has been widely enthusiastic.

There are whole guilds who will happily fill the role of bounty hunters/mercenaries.

If there is absolutely zero value in gaining corruption and taking up the challenge to survive being hunted, these players will have no one to hunt.

Noaani

khitomer wrote: »

So far the player base response to the bounty hunting rp has been widely enthusiastic.

Yes, but these people won't be flagged as bounty hunters all the time.

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