Will the (Summoner) Brood Warden be able to off tank end game? Should it?

I've always been drawn to the support-ish roles in MMOs, tanks, healers, buffs, CC etc. Being that summoner is considered a support class, it's the class that I'm drawn to the most as of right now as it's different that anything I have played before. With the information out there so far, it is said that the Summoner can have up to 3 pets out, and in some cases 1 super powerful pet.

It has also been stated that the primary tank archtype will be the end game main tank, but is it possible to have a Brood Warden off tank? With the idea that the secondary tank archtype would have defensive augments for the pets, can or should they be able to off tank with their pet come end game?

I get that the the tank will be the primary, but it seems reasonable that a specific pet tank based pet class should at least be able to do SOME end game tanking limited to off tanking specifically. Am I right? It wouldn't take away from the actual tanks but It would fulfill the need for some players like myself to be useful in end game with a pet class to a niche degree. I think it would go a long way for what options are available for the games content.

If not end game content, would this specific mix of archtypes be able to main tank dungeons? Or will the pet class be forever subjected to just simple experience grinding in mmos? I'm thinking of the pet classes from back in DAOC for example. Always an exp grinder/alt leveler.

What does the community think? I feel like the tanking spec summoner has this concern, as a healing offspec summoner will always be useful since spot healing goes a long way for the mana effiency for the main healers and DPS is always useful.

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Nerror

Kalv1441 wrote: »

If not end game content, would this specific mix of archtypes be able to main tank dungeons? Or will the pet class be forever subjected to just simple experience grinding in mmos? I'm thinking of the pet classes from back in DAOC for example. Always an exp grinder/alt leveler.

What does the community think? I feel like the tanking spec summoner has this concern, as a healing offspec summoner will always be useful since spot healing goes a long way for the mana effiency for the main healers and DPS is always useful.

Obviously we know nothing of what will be, but my opinion is that summoner/tank should be able to tank most dungeon trash, and off-tank some 8-man dungeon bosses. Never the final bosses and certainly not the world bosses either.

Tacualeon wrote: »

Tank is not a support role. Who do you think the Boss is facing?

Now we're getting into semantics, but to me a tank is most definitely a support role. The tank supports the team by managing aggro, CCïng in some cases, and mitigating damage.

Yuyukoyay

I've heard steven say in his updates multiple times that summoner isn't going to work the same way as every other archetype. As a summoner you will be able to fully do the role of your second archetype. Since it's a summoner. It will be the only class that can change archetypes and completely change their role to any other role in the game.

That said it will probably do the roles of their second archetype drastically differently than the actual archetype. It sounds like a class made to fill missing slots in parties and raids.

This is still subject to change, but I don't really see why it would. No other game attempted a class design as cool as this before. Although there are summoner classes in other games. They do not fill the same role as what I've heard this game's summoner will be able to.

Kalv1441

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

I've heard steven say in his updates multiple times that summoner isn't going to work the same way as every other archetype. As a summoner you will be able to fully do the role of your second archetype. Since it's a summoner. It will be the only class that can change archetypes and completely change their role to any other role in the game.

That said it will probably do the roles of their second archetype drastically differently than the actual archetype. It sounds like a class made to fill missing slots in parties and raids.

This is still subject to change, but I don't really see why it would. No other game attempted a class design as cool as this before. Although there are summoner classes in other games. They do not fill the same role as what I've heard this game's summoner will be able to.

This is why the summoner seems the most interesting to me. I doubt that it’ll as good as the main archetypes in their primary roles but I definitely want to see the summoner be viable to fill what’s needed. I don’t want to be able to tank world bosses or major bosses. I just want to see the summoner be the second something of a group. Like I’ve said before, I think the goal of the class is not to take away the spotlight of primary classes but to bring viability and flexibility to groups when the time needs.

Im the type of person who usually fills the role that’s needed in a game, whether it with friends or not. This would be the ultimate experience if the game delivers what they want the summoner to be.

Dygz

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

I've heard steven say in his updates multiple times that summoner isn't going to work the same way as every other archetype. As a summoner you will be able to fully do the role of your second archetype. Since it's a summoner. It will be the only class that can change archetypes and completely change their role to any other role in the game.

Quote or it didn't happen.

Nagash

Ventharien wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I blame the tomb robbers, coming to my tomb and taking my loot. we should kill them all

You already have too many skele bros. No need to add to the number.

I don't just have skeletons I have, zombies, wraiths, wights, vampires, ghouls, spirits, bone constructs and many other beings working for me

Kalv1441

Nagash wrote: »

Ventharien wrote: »

Nagash wrote: »

I blame the tomb robbers, coming to my tomb and taking my loot. we should kill them all

You already have too many skele bros. No need to add to the number.

I don't just have skeletons I have, zombies, wraiths, wights, vampires, ghouls, spirits, bone constructs and many other beings working for me

So basically all the seedy underbelly in Washington? Lol

Dygz

"I don't just have skeletons I have, zombies, wraiths, wights, vampires, ghouls, spirits, bone constructs and many other beings worshipping Me."
There! I fixed it for You!!

Nagash

Dygz wrote: »

"I don't just have skeletons I have, zombies, wraiths, wights, vampires, ghouls, spirits, bone constructs and many other beings worshipping Me."
There! I fixed it for You!!

Not quite

Nagash is all and all are one in Nagash

Saedu

I sure hope summoner/tank can be viable end game (including tanking bosses). It's going to be a boring gameplay style if tank/tank is the only end game viable tank. I actually hope we have at least a few other */tank classes that can compete for end game viability.

I also hope that some of the tank/dps specs offer the ability to trade out survivability to be a viable dps role (when the augments are combined with the right gear as well).

I think it would be great to see augments for a */tank spec that reduces the damage of some key spells, but in turn cause the spells to increase survivability. (Examples could be: a spell with a 10 second cooldown does 50% less damage but causes the player to take 30% less damage for 12 seconds. Or perhaps an augments where 30% of the damage from some spells creates a temporary shield around the caster instead of doing 30% of the damage).

This would give us meaningful choices in our spec and more options/flavor to each class.

Dygz

Tank/Summoner will be able to main tank at max level.
It's unlikely that Summoner/Tank will be able to main tank at max level.
Just as Tank/Cleric will not be viable as main healer at max level.

Khronus

I really hope they don't turn summoner into the "Druid" of wow. If they end up able to do all 3 roles, it makes me feel less viable as a tank and also forces summoner into going specific roles they may not want to play. Off tanking, support healing, dps are all awesome variations to the class but don't force them into tanking or healing just because it's the "best" right now.

Kalv1441

Dygz wrote: »

Tank/Summoner will be able to main tank at max level.
It's unlikely that Summoner/Tank will be able to main tank at max level.
Just as Tank/Cleric will not be viable as main healer at max level.

I don’t want a Summoner/Tank to main tank in the end game. I want to see them be viable off tanks in the end game. Tanking trash mobs in a boss fight or even strong elites. Or possibly being able to taunt the main boss and use a big cool down to absorb damage so the main tank can save their cool downs etc.

Nagash

Khronus wrote: »

I really hope they don't turn summoner into the "Druid" of wow. If they end up able to do all 3 roles, it makes me feel less viable as a tank and also forces summoner into going specific roles they may not want to play. Off tanking, support healing, dps are all awesome variations to the class but don't force them into tanking or healing just because it's the "best" right now.

I mean a summoner wont be but the summons could ^^

Kalv1441

Khronus wrote: »

I really hope they don't turn summoner into the "Druid" of wow. If they end up able to do all 3 roles, it makes me feel less viable as a tank and also forces summoner into going specific roles they may not want to play. Off tanking, support healing, dps are all awesome variations to the class but don't force them into tanking or healing just because it's the "best" right now.

Based on their “no dps meter” philosophy I don’t think there will be a culture of “why aren’t you playing this spec”

Dygz

Kalv1441 wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Tank/Summoner will be able to main tank at max level.
It's unlikely that Summoner/Tank will be able to main tank at max level.
Just as Tank/Cleric will not be viable as main healer at max level.

I don’t want a Summoner/Tank to main tank in the end game. I want to see them be viable off tanks in the end game. Tanking trash mobs in a boss fight or even strong elites. Or possibly being able to taunt the main boss and use a big cool down to absorb damage so the main tank can save their cool downs etc.

I was replying to Saedu - I didn't quote Saedu because his post was directly above mine.
On the first page, I already replied to your OP with regard to off-tanking.

Kalv1441

Dygz wrote: »

I was replying to Saedu - I didn't quote Saedu because his post was directly above mine.
On the first page, I already replied to your OP with regard to off-tanking.

Shoot my bad 💀

Shergrim

i see summoner tanks as more of a supporty type of char where their pets can apply shields and resistances to the party not outright tanking bosses and rightly so, as a guardian i wouldn't want to see some weedy summoner doing my job just as well as myself!

Kalv1441

Shergrim wrote: »

i see summoner tanks as more of a supporty type of char where their pets can apply shields and resistances to the party not outright tanking bosses and rightly so, as a guardian i wouldn't want to see some weedy summoner doing my job just as well as myself!

I can definitely see an augment path for what you’re talking about. However, like I don’t want to see summoners outshine the main archetypes in their roles just a viable alternative or the ability to share the duties in certain situations. Healing focuses or dps focused summoners will always have a place. Helping healers is smart and efficient and dps is always needed. It’s the tank focused summoners that have traditionally been capped on what they can do in other mmos. Just hoping for something other than the level boosting character

Nagash

Summoners are the best class and I will hear nothing else!

Vhaeyne

Nagash wrote: »

Summoners are the best class and I will hear nothing else!

Gonna be hard to receive bard buffs if you can only hear the words "Summoners are the best class"...
Or maybe you don't need any buffs because summoners are so good?

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