No Transmogs!

Decoupling the connection between what your character's appearance and the gear their wearing immersion breaking in a PvE game, but in a game like Ashes of Creation which is supposed to have an emphasis on emergent world PvP encounters, seeing your opponent's gear is an important step in sizing them up for a potential fight, and transmogs allow for players to effectively hide their sets or, worse, make it appear that they're wearing weaker gear than what they actually have on.

I'm okay with cosmetics, but it should be variations on existing sets, like how the game is already set to have racial variations on all the various armor pieces, just add in cosmetic variations of certain armor pieces that you can apply with the cash shop item to retain the link between your character's appearance and their gear.

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George_Black

I am not against such views. I miss the times when people looked forward to craft higher lv gear. We looked awesome and threatening, with an instant projection of our class and playstyle.

But it's 2021 and people have become comfortable in the concept of changing their appearance with the push of a button, so it's difficult for a studio to move away from customization. Plus, cosmetics bring on big money.

Not gonna happen.

George_Black

Also, there is an incredible number of people with bad taste. But what can you do? It's here to stay so better get over it.

raylegh

Well, one thing I didn't liked about vanilla Wow is the fact that all the players had the exactly SAME set in late game. All the players seemed the same, and I always thought that people should wear what they want because the most important thing should be your permformance not the gear.

I just wanted a bit of diversity, and personalization for the player. At least in a mmorpg I think it's important to have the option to decide. If you are tied directly to an speciffic set, only one for any class, for me breaks the immerssion. There shouldn't be a big problem if there were a lot of options and different late game sets, (in fact we are talking about a big world, there should be "a lot" of good and different ones) but it's understandable that from game design is a lot of work.

So, for me transmog is not a bad thing. Otherwise give me the chance to choose from a few amount of sets not just one or two.

Kesarakk

pgt1027 wrote: »

Decoupling the connection between what your character's appearance and the gear their wearing immersion breaking in a PvE game, but in a game like Ashes of Creation which is supposed to have an emphasis on emergent world PvP encounters, seeing your opponent's gear is an important step in sizing them up for a potential fight, and transmogs allow for players to effectively hide their sets or, worse, make it appear that they're wearing weaker gear than what they actually have on.

I'm okay with cosmetics, but it should be variations on existing sets, like how the game is already set to have racial variations on all the various armor pieces, just add in cosmetic variations of certain armor pieces that you can apply with the cash shop item to retain the link between your character's appearance and their gear.

I understand your frustration and not wanting transmog to be allowed. However, there are a couple of things that you have overlooked:

1. When you remove the ability for players to customize their characters how they see fit, that in itself breaks immersion. Uniqueness is what many players strive for, not only to show off new gear but how they want to present themselves in-game. No one wants to look like other players, even in recolors. And certainly, no player wants to look at a character for 3-6 hours a day with nothing on but mixed-up questing and dungeon gear like they shopped at the Node's Good Will kiosk.

2. This game focuses on Risk VS Reward. If you wish to fight with another player you are risking your own death, and even items. The flavor of organic pvp is enhanced because you don't know what the other player has up their sleeves. If you're the type of player that jumps on someone because you believe they are low level or an easy kill, then you have what is coming to you when that isn't the case. Likewise, if you dress "above your station", then you can't complain when someone wants to challenge you in a feat of strength.

3. Being ok with cosmetics and variations of existing sets defeats the whole argument of allowing transmogs. If I'm able to change my appearance to look like a plague doctor on my Archwizard, is that not, in essence, hiding my sets, or worse, making it appear that I'm wearing weaker gear than what I actually have on? If that is the case, then following this logic, there would be no transmog of any type or cosmetics that could be applied to equipped gear.

Again, I understand your frustration and see exactly why you dislike transmog. However, that opinion isn't shared with the majority of players. Most of us are grown adults who live busy lives and want to play games like this to forget about real life for a couple of hours. We would much rather dress our characters up as we see fit, with the looks we enjoy in a fantasy setting, and not bother with keeping visual references on how well a player can fight based off what gear they have on. Steven himself has stated he wants players to play with each other based on how they vibe together and their skill with their class, not a gear score.

Khronus

raylegh wrote: »

Well, one thing I didn't liked about vanilla Wow is the fact that all the players had the exactly SAME set in late game. All the players seemed the same, and I always thought that people should wear what they want because the most important thing should be your permformance not the gear.

I just wanted a bit of diversity, and personalization for the player. At least in a mmorpg I think it's important to have the option to decide. If you are tied directly to an speciffic set, only one for any class, for me breaks the immerssion. There shouldn't be a big problem if there were a lot of options and different late game sets, (in fact we are talking about a big world, there should be "a lot" of good and different ones) but it's understandable that from game design is a lot of work.

So, for me transmog is not a bad thing. Otherwise give me the chance to choose from a few amount of sets not just one or two.

Wow....it's been years since I played vanilla and reading your post reminded me that we did all look the same and I did hate that shit at the time. Seeing T1 and T2 pieces on other hunters was cool at first. Then seeing full T2 sets on everyone was trash.

@pgt1027 The easy route is to just tell you not to play AoC but I that's not fair. You will end up enjoying this game with or without transmogs and you deserve to enjoy it. The main thing to remember is that there will be a way to strategically identify our enemies. While they may be wearing a bright pink mushroom helmet at level 1, they can still die. Intrepid has toned down pay to win all the way down to zero... I think we as a community can afford to give them a little leeway with cosmetics.

Roussynator

Transmog is good for the fashionista out there, and since you can buy fashion cosmetic therefore there is going to be transmog option, we need to wait and see how it is in the game, for now with what steven said , the gear score in pvp is a good indicator.

Plus everyone wants to be unique so transmog can help people not feeling like another 1 out of a million pawn wearing the same old ugly outfit. Tera shot themself in the leg when they didn't put transmog as an option which came later in the future.

Gbolt

I agree with OP. I don't really care about transmogs, but I have problem that they gonna make PvP worse experience. As you can cheat with transmogs to make yourself look like you have powerful (or weak) or different type of gear than you are actually wearing.

And that icon or whatever that will show your type of gear is kind of lame way to indicate what you are wearing (like robe/heavy/light and its tier or something).

In a heat of a battle, the last thing you need is to click on every enemy and check his gear icon to see who you are fighting against..

bloodprophet

Sounds like risk vs reward to me.
It's not the 1950's anymore. The biggest strongest guy on the field is not always the one to fear.
Knowledge and skill trumps straight up strength.
Personally I am against any kind of hints.
Is they guy your about to jump a level 10 in transmog gear or 50 in top end gear.
Roll the dice and find out.

As others have said at first having the top gear in a game and showing it off is a cool flex on those that don't have it. But after a while everyone looks the same and it gets boring.

Was one of my biggest issues with WoW couple of expansions back. You get the really cool one of a kind named weapon. Then turn the corner and a hundred other people have the exact same weapon and everyone looks exactly a like.

Dygz

Yeah, when thousands of people are wearing the exact same BiS gear for their class... that doesn't really help with the flex.
Especially now that reaching max level takes a several weeks rather than several months.
Back in the day, it could take some people a year or more to reach max, so the flex was strong.

Much better when characters look fairly unique. Or at least, are wearing gear that is indicative of the stories the players wish to tell.

Roussynator

bloodprophet wrote: »

Sounds like risk vs reward to me.
It's not the 1950's anymore. The biggest strongest guy on the field is not always the one to fear.
Knowledge and skill trumps straight up strength.
Personally I am against any kind of hints.
Is they guy your about to jump a level 10 in transmog gear or 50 in top end gear.
Roll the dice and find out.

As others have said at first having the top gear in a game and showing it off is a cool flex on those that don't have it. But after a while everyone looks the same and it gets boring.

Was one of my biggest issues with WoW couple of expansions back. You get the really cool one of a kind named weapon. Then turn the corner and a hundred other people have the exact same weapon and everyone looks exactly a like.

I fully agree with that, numerous time i've outplayed better geared ennemies because I used the distance and environment to my advantage.

Blackhearted

I think it would be awesome if u could turn off cosmetics/transmogs from options.

Dygz

Steven doesn't.

Vhaeyne

bloodprophet wrote: »

Sounds like risk vs reward to me.
It's not the 1950's anymore. The biggest strongest guy on the field is not always the one to fear.
Knowledge and skill trumps straight up strength.
Personally I am against any kind of hints.
Is they guy your about to jump a level 10 in transmog gear or 50 in top end gear.
Roll the dice and find out.

As others have said at first having the top gear in a game and showing it off is a cool flex on those that don't have it. But after a while everyone looks the same and it gets boring.

Was one of my biggest issues with WoW couple of expansions back. You get the really cool one of a kind named weapon. Then turn the corner and a hundred other people have the exact same weapon and everyone looks exactly a like.

I have always been a fan of the mystery of not knowing everything about your enemy.
The whole "F around and find out" thing.
My preference is for people to only see two things about me. My name, and my health bar.
Not my HP number. Just the bar.

When you fight someone you can identify their class by how they move and their skills. After one or two hits, you will get a feel for their relative power based on how their HP bar moves.

This is way more interesting and would actually prevent more fights than the corruption system ever could.

I feel like any argument against Transmog based on identifying relative power in PVP is a argument for wanting to play like a coward and only attack weaker targets.

Dygz

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I feel like any argument against Transmog based on identifying relative power in PVP is a argument for wanting to play like a coward and only attack weaker targets.

It's a focus more on the combat gaming than on the RP.
But, again, in a high fantasy/high magic RPG setting filled with thousands of high level characters, there should be no surprise that lots of those people will be using fairly powerful illusions.
Just as we would expect a high tech setting to include most people to have access to some form of telephony.
Back in Vanilla EQ people would say that the ability to chat across vast distances breaks immersion for a fantasy setting, but for a high magic setting, it's possible that everyone has access to some form of scrying that allows distant communication.

Vhaeyne

Dygz wrote: »

It's a focus more on the combat gaming than on the RP.
But, again, in a high fantasy/high magic RPG setting filled with thousands of high level characters, there should be no surprise that lots of those people will be using fairly powerful illusions.

Agreed, I think?

Dygz wrote: »

Just as we would expect a high tech setting to include most people to have access to some form of telephony.
Back in Vanilla EQ people would say that the ability to chat across vast distances breaks immersion for a fantasy setting, but for a high magic setting, it's possible that everyone has access to some form of scrying that allows distant communication.

FFXI had the link pearls for long distance Telephony. If I remember correctly the pearls get put in your ear? The fact that they explained guild chat with a in game item has always impressed me. You could unequip it to shut up your guild. I am sure the immersion lads on here love that shit. I just thought it was annoying because it used a inventory slot. I did not use them often because of the inventory slot thing. One slot inventory was a lot in FFXI!

Dygz

(Yes. I think we agree.)

Yozhura

I wonder how the transmog system will work. WoW has a pretty good transmog system where every gear you collect can be used as transmog. Would love to see a system similar to that. Would love to mix different sets to create a unique look for my character.

Yuyukoyay

I'd be happy if the Transmog was serverely limited so it only applied to gear of the same tier and the same rarity. So you can't turn garbage weapons into legendary skinned stuff and vice versa.

I do like looking at someone to some degree and being able to tell what level of gear they have on. At the same time I don't like leaving it up to the developers to choose what everything I wear looks like either. I believe my idea is a good middle ground that can make everyone happy.

I personally dislike transmog that has absolutely no limitations other than type though.

Conrad

I'm automatically disagreeing with the post. I don't want to be forced into being a visual clone of other players. I want to look unique and not be a gear clone like many mmos do.
Never understood why people are so anti tmog. Sure ppl might exploit this, but in the end, it changes nothing. Visual appearance is part of mmos now and give extra fun for customization, especially if you might not enjoy main gear appearance.

Zeshio

I think it's funny folks are talking about being able to size up opponents like it's a fair fight. There's plenty of history where people disguised or hid their weapons and gear to have an advantage on the other. The fact is, pvp should always be treated as high risk, high reward, exactly because of this primary reason. You want to fight to the death knowing the facts in front of you? That's the choice you take.

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