Apparently some people really like cash shops.

Talking to some fellas on Reddit and never before have I had to unironically argue against cash shops. I am genuinely surprised that these people exist. Huh.

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Ferni

@RocketFarmer That's right, it's totally hypothetical, 100% sure AoC will not add any type of P2W server.

Maybe my example is a bit complicated to ever happen but P2W ruined my experience so many times in MMORPG and other games that the only idea of a P2W only server make me feel like somehow it will ruin the game again for everyone.

ViBunja

Shoelid wrote: »

We were talking about P2W cash shops. Made a point that being able to purchase gold in WoW is P2W and is bad. I got three people replying to me saying that another person paying to win doesn't devalue my gameplay experience, and that the "pride of having done it myself instead of paying for it" should be enough for me.

It's not a direct P2W mechanic, but it is. Because you can buy gold, then you can use the gold to buy armor and weapons, even mounts and pets on the auction house which lets you skip content. WoW is a P2W game today, one of the reasons why I don't play WoW anymore was because they had Heirlooms, you couldn't buy Heirlooms with gold, you had to do battlegrounds and get points, to later buy the heirlooms.

But then they introduced tokens and you could buy heirlooms for gold. Throwing away the prestige you had for working hard to get those heirlooms, now you can simply buy them, the game is focused for whales and casuals and trying to compete against them puts you in a disadvantage if you want to do it without spending money.

Songcaller

ViBunja wrote: »

But then they introduced tokens and you could buy heirlooms for gold. Throwing away the prestige you had for working hard to get those heirlooms, now you can simply buy them, the game is focused for whales and casuals and trying to compete against them puts you in a disadvantage if you want to do it without spending money.

WoW is dying. They made $150,000,000 a month from Subscriptions at the peak. This number has drastically reduced so they expanded the cash shop. Activision want the money.

ViBunja

Neurath wrote: »

ViBunja wrote: »

But then they introduced tokens and you could buy heirlooms for gold. Throwing away the prestige you had for working hard to get those heirlooms, now you can simply buy them, the game is focused for whales and casuals and trying to compete against them puts you in a disadvantage if you want to do it without spending money.

WoW is dying. They made $150,000,000 a month from Subscriptions at the peak. This number has drastically reduced so they expanded the cash shop. Activision want the money.

Of course it is dying, they are aiming for whales, whales will give them money for a while, but you can't have a game with whales only, since they are minority, and for MMO's you need big numbers. An MMO without a big community can't live forever. Sure, whales give more money, but eventually there will be less people to play with and the game will become dull to play. It's slowly happening, and the more they make the game for casuals and whales, the worse it gets.

Songcaller

I really enjoyed Karazhan the first time around but nothing will make me return to WoW or the Classic renditions.

Nagash

Shoelid wrote: »

We were talking about P2W cash shops. Made a point that being able to purchase gold in WoW is P2W and is bad. I got three people replying to me saying that another person paying to win doesn't devalue my gameplay experience, and that the "pride of having done it myself instead of paying for it" should be enough for me.

Then we ignore them like plauge

akabear

Thoughts then, say hypothetically embers are granted with subscription under whatever model, how could the lifetime subscribers` embers be handled? (same?)

Noaani

akabear wrote: »

Thoughts then, say hypothetically embers are granted with subscription under whatever model, how could the lifetime subscribers` embers be handled? (same?)

This may be controversial, but I wouldn't offer them any with the lifetime subscription.

There are two reasons for this.

The first is that they are still getting a great deal.

Second, they are not losing anything at all if the other subscription packages gain embers.

If people did complain, Intrepid could then offer them a deal. They can exchange their lifetime subscription for an equal value of this subscription package.

The lifetime subscription is in the $500 pack, and the previous pack was $250 and had 6 months worth of subscription time.

So, the lifetime subscription cost $250+6 months subscription.

$250 is roughly equal to 18 months subscription time based on the above scenario that I'd like to see, meaning the lifetime subscription is equal to 24 months.

If Intrepid offered these people 2 12 month bundles and a bonus 6 month bundle, they are getting more value than the money they paid for their lifetime subscription.

I don't think any sane person would take them up on that deal - which is why I have no issues in not adding embers to lifetime subscriptions in the first place.

Marcet

If someone likes P2W games there is a huge catalog for him to choose, and this is definetly not his game I hope. So why even discuss about this, there is an audience for everything.
If they want to pay 40$ on a mobile game to make it autorun all the dungeons in 10 seconds and unlock the entire game with one click, congratulations I hope they are happy.
But there is another audience that detests P2W, that's us.

JamesSunderland

Yeah, some people just love to smash their credit cards really hard against the keyboard...

tautau

....or daddy's credit card.

Noaani

Marcet wrote: »

there is an audience for everything.
...
But there is another audience that detests P2W, that's us.

Sums up the thread fairly well imo.

Tyranthraxus

For some games, it's okay. Yours truly is SUPER GLAD that AoC will forego the over-monetization of the Cash Shop.

Yours truly is reluctantly playing Star Wars: The Old Republic, likely until AoC comes out. I'll probably try New World, but it doesn't seem like New World will have anything innovative nor exciting, in it.

In SWTOR, you can buy tokens for max-level characters. I've only done it once, but that was because I've already levelled so *MANY* characters; It wasn't worth my time otherwise to spend the time levelling a character with a duplicate class. What would be better is if you could only do that once you've already levelled a toon of that same archetype.

For SWTOR, it fits to have P2W and Pay-for-Convenience - but again, I'm very much looking forward to AoC NOT doing this. This method has really messed up the in-game economy, over time - but that's just an expected consequence from over-monetizing the game. EA / BioWare couldn't care any less about the player expereience.

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