Idea: Military leadership, Alternative to Champions.

After hearing about the balance dilemma in regards to alternating leadership of military nodes away from the stronger classes, I came up with an idea. Rather than have players grind hours investing into a champion with very limited use, I suggest to have players fight rounds with their opponents character/loadout.

In any mmo leaders and pvper’s need to be able to recognize the abilities and playstyles of their allies and opponents. Sometimes new players will ask for help, and I’ve found in other mmos that it helps to have played their character. This form of competition ensures that military nodes are ruled by the best adaptable and knowledgeable players in combat. Promoting that they have the background to form a strategized raid composition, based on their knowledge of competition.

In a 1v1 tournament, players aim to win two rounds in a row. There’s a phase at the beginning of the second round to become familiar with your opponent's character. Players must use their opponents slotted abilities, but have time to reposition them. If reached, the 5th round is a tiebreaker round, and the character with the most wins is used by both players.

In a battle royale players spawn with a random opponent's character. Every two assists, or after a kill they swap to a surviving character load out. The final 3 contestants switch back to their characters loadout. This ensures that the strongest and most talented players become mayor. A bad draw may force well built players to overcome unforeseen circumstances. If their class is over performing they could die early and be eliminated if they don’t play well. Maybe someone will sort out a vendetta early on. Or we’ll watch the whole town stage a coup.

This idea can also work with pre-made builds.

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Noaani

Asgerr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Single combat is and will never be balanced, as per the devs own admittance.

Having single elimination tournaments for 1vs1 is a terrible idea, and some classes will always beat certain others.

My idea is instead have a battle royale, but with no champion customization. Just all the same blank characters. Same life points, same mana pool etc. Only choice is in the weapons. And let the skills dictate the rest.
That type of meritocratic militar brutality would much better represent the best player in the node. Rather than the one who got luckier in drops from bosses in dungeons and raids.

Yeah. I'm guessing Champions will have to be some kind of neutral "Class"... and we will still supply them with gear and progress them via quests.

Which is why it is a stupid system.

It is a fight using an irrelevant system, to determine who is best at using that system and that system only.

The whole thing should be using the regular combat system, with the regular class structure, and regular gear progression.

Again, the issue with that is that let's say everyone has their best possible gear: specific classes will always win.

Why is this an issue?

And again you are not listening.

1v1 in any form is the wrong idea. Either groups of any set size (even allow the mayor to set the size between 3 and 8), or an outright FFA, which will result in who ever has the best organization winning.

That said, even if it were 1v1, so what? Sure, the classes that are best at PvP will win, but the entire point of a military node is PvP, so that is 100% fitting.

Why would you be living in a military node if not for PvP, and if you are keen on PvP, you will be a strong PvP class.

So, explain to me why this is an issue again...

Asgerr

Noaani wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Asgerr wrote: »

Single combat is and will never be balanced, as per the devs own admittance.

Having single elimination tournaments for 1vs1 is a terrible idea, and some classes will always beat certain others.

My idea is instead have a battle royale, but with no champion customization. Just all the same blank characters. Same life points, same mana pool etc. Only choice is in the weapons. And let the skills dictate the rest.
That type of meritocratic militar brutality would much better represent the best player in the node. Rather than the one who got luckier in drops from bosses in dungeons and raids.

Yeah. I'm guessing Champions will have to be some kind of neutral "Class"... and we will still supply them with gear and progress them via quests.

Which is why it is a stupid system.

It is a fight using an irrelevant system, to determine who is best at using that system and that system only.

The whole thing should be using the regular combat system, with the regular class structure, and regular gear progression.

Again, the issue with that is that let's say everyone has their best possible gear: specific classes will always win.

Why is this an issue?

And again you are not listening.

1v1 in any form is the wrong idea. Either groups of any set size (even allow the mayor to set the size between 3 and 8), or an outright FFA, which will result in who ever has the best organization winning.

That said, even if it were 1v1, so what? Sure, the classes that are best at PvP will win, but the entire point of a military node is PvP, so that is 100% fitting.

Why would you be living in a military node if not for PvP, and if you are keen on PvP, you will be a strong PvP class.

So, explain to me why this is an issue again...

So let's say you picked the "right class" you're all happy and everything is great, you win your mayorship whether it'd be a battle royale or a 1v1 (which, again, I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR!).

What happens when the next patch they nerf your class? Are you gonna be all happy about it because "cool it's someone else's turn to always win" ?

That's just utterly and completely moronic.

What is more fair and representative of your actual skill, than an equal playing field for all? Just because you wanna min max, it doesn't mean it'll be fair for you either. Because you're gonna invest all the time in playing the "right class combination" (as you've alluded across multiple threads that those are the only people you'd also wanna associate with) and then get shafted when some other class just happens to absolutely wreck you even with incomparable PvP gear.

Dygz

All of the Primary Archetypes are strong for PvP.
It's rock/paper/scissors.
Which one of those is trump?

Noaani

Asgerr wrote: »

What happens when the next patch they nerf your class?

In order...

Oh no, I wont be as effective in sieges.
Oh no, I wont be as effective in guild wars.
Oh no, I wont be as effective in node wars.
Oh no, I wont be as effective with caravans.
Oh no, I wont be as effective in open PvP.
Oh no, I wont be as effective during the mayoral contest.

Before we look at adding in a bullshit system to cover literally the last thing to be worried about, we should look to address what we will do in the situations with higher priority.

Acarith

Before the nerf wars begin, I advocate we end them peacefully now. ESO had classes practically nerfed in a rotation till it got to the point it didn't matter what you played, if you came back to the game you'd be half as strong as you used to be. Playing a game where you lose un-re-attainable progress every patch gets lame.

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