Not really feeling the whole front flip Dwarfs...

I understand Intrepid is taking its own direction on races and lore for Ashes...Perhaps not trying to fall into fantasy tropes or intellectual property thresholds.

But logically speaking I don't feel a mountain carving and tunneling race (Dünir) would jump flip... "Stoic and stout" seems more rotund, staunch and stocky... a 'regular' jump with perhaps a dodge roll seems a better fit.

(Verbal NDA lifted personal experience alpha tester, So actual hands on impression of the race as it currently being offered)

The islander dwarfs/halflings (Niküa) might seem fine with such athleticism.

I hope Intreprid might already have such details in the pipeline but just not implemented yet.

If not I hope they might reconsider the Jump Flip for mountain dorfs...

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Conrad

Ventharien wrote: »

Shergrim wrote: »

shitty take as usual
you seem to only care for the devs vision and not what the actual players want..it's a recipe for disaster...is this why you no longer work for activision!?

Because the dev's vision is the only thing that matters. As that's what will be done. If players bring up a point they agree with, then that's the new thing that matters. If that's a problem for you, there's a wide range of other games to play.

Many times Devs' visions are pretty bad. Players help refine those to what they should be. Except Singleplayers games but that is a completely different genre, where your opinion would probably be accurate.

Mmos are a completely different medium to SP games since they are driven by the players, and seeing how many, if not most devs are not listening to player feedback and eventually start going down the shit drain, tell me, how are devs visions more important than that of players? Every mmo so far ignores player feedback for the dev vision, only to be trash because they didn't listen.

Uncommon Sense

Though Subjective I don't even feel the dev vision is being met but that's just my opinion. Aesthetics, anthropological appropriation and lore aside there are other issues that seem to be overlooked.

How does the flip effect hit boxes in competitive pvp?
How does the flip effect combat animations?
how does the flip interact with other abilities and combat tactics like kiting with ranged weapons?

Dygz

I think the flip is no different than the regular jump in terms of how it affects combat animations or kiting.
I tried casting while jump-flipping. I was locked into the jump animation and could not cast. So, you have to wait until the jump animation stops before you can activate an ability... as far as I could tell.
I think the flip also will be no different than regular jump in PvP - obviously will not affect tab-target abilities. I doubt it will present a significantly smaller hitbox for active abilities.

But, we still have to learn how the devs feel about the flip.
It's still Alpha One Preview... although I think Friday we played a build closer to what the devs have been playing and closer to what we will have in the actual Alpha One.
We don't know if they were just testing a concept or if the flip is really planned for Niküa rather than Dünir.

A flip is easy enough to remove. There were a few times when the flip did not activate and it was just a regular jump, but I couldn't figure out how to consistently trigger the jump with no flip. Now that I think about it, it could be that the no-flip animation that got triggered was the falling animation, even though I triggered it just with the space bar. I'll have to compare those animations next time I get the no-flip jump to trigger.

Sholer

Jamation wrote: »

Sholer wrote: »

Hey people Where did you see the flipping dwarfs? Is there a video or something?

I'm not sure if this is what everyone's been referring to, but there is a jump flip in one of their older videos on their YouTube channel. Whether it's changed or not I'm not sure since I've never picked dwarves:

The flip in question occurs around 33:31

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8WQ_BBwK5LA

Thanks for the link.

Yeah a dwarf shouldn't can flip like that.

Atrushan

I don't care either way but I will say this. The description says NOT to be deceived by their stout nature, that they are the strongest warriors the world has ever known. I'd honestly question ANY other race being able to do a flip in full armor over the strongest warriors the world has ever known, personally. Also stoic is an attitude, not a body type.

Conrad

Atrushan wrote: »

I don't care either way but I will say this. The description says NOT to be deceived by their stout nature, that they are the strongest warriors the world has ever known. I'd honestly question ANY other race being able to do a flip in full armor over the strongest warriors the world has ever known, personally. Also stoic is an attitude, not a body type.

If that was the case Gimli wouldn't ask Aragorn to be thrown xP

Dygz

A flip does not do the same thing as a throw.

Maph

I agree that having long-standing fantasy races does come with a package of expectations, but I also think it's fine, and probably preferable that some of these expectations are broken from time to time, and to varying degrees, otherwise things can get stale.

Personally, I kind of like the dwarf flip. It's unexpected in a humorous way. If you think it ruins the fantasy, I can see where you're coming from, but we'd have to simply agree to disagree from there.

RocketFarmer

Ugh, I think we may be overlooking a critical piece of information with regards to flipping dwarves. Will they be wearing kilts, in the traditional style? That could be bad.

Dygz

I don't think Dünir will be wearing kilts without leggings.

Atrushan

Conrad wrote: »

Atrushan wrote: »

I don't care either way but I will say this. The description says NOT to be deceived by their stout nature, that they are the strongest warriors the world has ever known. I'd honestly question ANY other race being able to do a flip in full armor over the strongest warriors the world has ever known, personally. Also stoic is an attitude, not a body type.

If that was the case Gimli wouldn't ask Aragorn to be thrown xP

You can't exactly throw yourself and a flip is just an acrobatic technique. Also keep in mind a dwarf armor would be lighter than a bigger being due to it being less materials. Also are you trying to say that Aragorn could do a flip in full body armor?

Marcet

Atrushan wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

Atrushan wrote: »

I don't care either way but I will say this. The description says NOT to be deceived by their stout nature, that they are the strongest warriors the world has ever known. I'd honestly question ANY other race being able to do a flip in full armor over the strongest warriors the world has ever known, personally. Also stoic is an attitude, not a body type.

If that was the case Gimli wouldn't ask Aragorn to be thrown xP

You can't exactly throw yourself and a flip is just an acrobatic technique. Also keep in mind a dwarf armor would be lighter than a bigger being due to it being less materials. Also are you trying to say that Aragorn could do a flip in full body armor?

If Aragorn couldn't do a flip in full body armor... Gimli even less!!!

Marcet

@Atrushan And I want Gimlis in the game, okay? I want them to stumble and fall like a potato when lightly jogging.

Shergrim

Atrushan wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

Atrushan wrote: »

I don't care either way but I will say this. The description says NOT to be deceived by their stout nature, that they are the strongest warriors the world has ever known. I'd honestly question ANY other race being able to do a flip in full armor over the strongest warriors the world has ever known, personally. Also stoic is an attitude, not a body type.

If that was the case Gimli wouldn't ask Aragorn to be thrown xP

You can't exactly throw yourself and a flip is just an acrobatic technique. Also keep in mind a dwarf armor would be lighter than a bigger being due to it being less materials. Also are you trying to say that Aragorn could do a flip in full body armor?

not necessarily, dwarves have much thicker armour due to them being able to carry much more weight than humans or elves.

Maezriel

Atrushan wrote: »

Conrad wrote: »

Atrushan wrote: »

I don't care either way but I will say this. The description says NOT to be deceived by their stout nature, that they are the strongest warriors the world has ever known. I'd honestly question ANY other race being able to do a flip in full armor over the strongest warriors the world has ever known, personally. Also stoic is an attitude, not a body type.

If that was the case Gimli wouldn't ask Aragorn to be thrown xP

You can't exactly throw yourself and a flip is just an acrobatic technique. Also keep in mind a dwarf armor would be lighter than a bigger being due to it being less materials. Also are you trying to say that Aragorn could do a flip in full body armor?

As someone who's worn full body armor (medieval and modern), I ain't believing anyone's doing flips in it w/o Spiderman levels of strength vs size proportions.

Dygz

That's like not believing in gods.

Sigmund

Hey all,
Was super excited to make a dwarvan character. Logged in, and ended up with a garden gnome. Front flip notwithstanding, the feel was way off.

I fully realize that sliders and customization options are not in place, and combat animations are in flux. Fingers crossed for a future change in the direction of Marcus Hietz or Tolkien, and far less Oompa Loompa, no offense to Grumpy, Sleepy and Sneezy, et al.

A suggestion only: Broader shoulders and hips, barrel-like torso, larger hands and feet. My hope in playing a dwarf was to feel like part of the mountain, akin to stone. Sturdy. Not punt-able or diminutive.

Now if Alpha being Alpha proves the current posture and model can be built on, and is flexible enough to allow players to make more halfling-type characters, then Hammers High! and /salute! to them - but I'll hold out for the dwarves that appear to be "pound for pound the strongest warriors the world has ever known."

JustVine

How would you all feel if the flip was only occurring during a sprint jump?

Dygz

I'd prefer if it was possible to flip except while sprinting.

Galux

Just make it so everyone can choose whether they want to flip or not, either in the character creator or as an option in-game.

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