On The Front Line - Tank Discussion

For those brave souls who plan on choosing the least played class in Ashes of Creation. I am curious about which archetype you are most excited to play and what you are hoping the playstyle shapes up to be? What made you decide on tank over the other choices?

I am most excited to explore a Tank/Summoner. I decided against a summoner main for a tank to ensure my guild has the most success when raiding and pvping and not having a raid night where the tank doesn't show. However, I am still excited to see what opportunities I will have as a tank/summoner. I'm hoping that I will be able to summon some beefy minion that may assist with CC on the battlefield or possibly be able to protect an ally when they are near death (charge to a healer and prevent death)

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Kalv1441

Yuyukoyay wrote: »

Jackless wrote: »

Im really interested in playing a Paladin (Tank/Cleric).
I can imagine self healing to be pretty effective on a class designed to take damage. And i always loved to play Paladins in other games.

Kinda curious how Paladin would work in a game like this. I don't see how it's possible to fill the Paladin fantasy as it was designed in D & D and most other games that have them. While healing is one thing Paladins always do along with some form of support. Doing damage from the heavens is another aspect of the class that is pretty important.

I'm wondering if they used the wrong class name for that specific combination. Paladins in reality are a knight that fought for the church essentially. That gave them virtually no healing capability whatsoever. They just murdered people. xD

Paladin sounds more cool than Templar so it might be better to swap em. xD

It's quite possible to also have a Paladin have a lot of buff augments or auras instead of the healing that most people think of.

Dygz

Paladin is Tank/Cleric.
We know that two of the Cleric augment Schools are Life and Death, so we should expect Paladins to be able to deal damage from the heavens, likely in the form of angels and spirits. We should also expect some form of Enhancement School.

Maph

I'm definitely interested in SOME kind of tank, but I'll have to see more details on them all to make a definitive decision.

As it is now, I'll probably be Tank/Tank. Can't tank harder than a Tank/Tank.

Kalv1441

Dygz wrote: »

Seems likely there will be a Tank Threat School of augments.

Based on your interpretation of the information out there and the live streams? How would a threat school add anything to existing base line threat mechanics the tank class already has?

Dygz

Tank/Tank doubles down.
So, a Guardian would be able to add Threat augments to abilities that don't already generate threat (same as any other x/Tank) and may be able to use Threat augments to stack threat on abilities that already generate threat.

Holyoak

Dygz wrote: »

Tank/Tank doubles down.
So, a Guardian would be able to add Threat augments to abilities that don't already generate threat (same as any other x/Tank) and may be able to use Threat augments to stack threat on abilities that already generate threat.

It makes me wonder if Tank/Tank will be required for main tanking in raids. Steven has said in multiple podcasts that their goal is to leave things up to the players, from class augments to 'this set is the class set because we (the players) think it's probably best'. But players adapting a 'by-the-numbers' approach might stick to more traditional roles in mmorpgs. I'm leaning towards making a tank/cleric for the paladin aspect but don't want to miss out on tanking opportunities if I am 80% as tanky as a tank/tank. It's possible that players just gravitate towards Tanks tanking, healers strictly heal, dps strictly dps and CC if they can.

Dygz

By design, Tank/Tank will not be required for raids. Raids are balanced around the Active Skills of the Primary Archetypes. Your primary role is covered by your Active Skills.
Augments are icing on the cake.

"Healers" cannot strictly heal anyways because many of the healing abilities also damage and some of the damage abilities also heal.

Holyoak

Not requiring Tank/Tank for raids makes sense to me as they still want to leave it up to the players, I am just wondering if players will adhere to min/maxing their class in the traditional roles that exist.

I support their decisions in leaving things up to the players and giving them the tools to do so - like making some healing spells deal damage, some damaging spells provide healing.

I think my worry is less with what the design team will do, I trust them, but if players will ignore the options for the small percentage increase to survivability/cc/threat generation by rolling tank/tank. I think we will just have to wait and see.

Khronus

My issue that I can't seem to get over is the fact that any class choice may not actually end up making a difference. I also trust Intrepid and the design team but what I fear is that no matter what secondary I pick, I will be viable in EVERY scenario. I don't want this. I hate this. I want to feel "special" for choosing a specific thing for a specific scenario/boss/roaming/siege. I'm not saying I want certain choices to be useless in some scenarios but I want to feel rewarded for making the right choice when organizing whatever content I end up organizing for the guild. If tank/tank is able to dominate in pve, pvp, sieges, roaming, caravan content, naval content just like a tank/cleric would....then my "choice" really is just a cosmetic cover up on the abilities.

I cannot imagine having to organize 64 different "classes" but hopefully they are able to while still making it a unique system that is challenging and fun at the same time.

Dygz

Well, any Tank/x will be a viable main tank because challenges are balanced around Tank Active Skills.
But, how you apply augments onto Active skills and place points into Passive and Weapon skills, will significantly change how you main tank.
Tank/Tank will add to their own survivability by using Damage Mitigation augments while Tank/Cleric will do so via Life augments. We can expect a Tank/Rogue or a Tank/Mage to be more of an evasion Tank, rather than relying as heavily on Damage Mitigation as a Tank/Tank.

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