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akabear

Personally, I am not a fan of them but equally they are unlikely to affect me as I am likely not in the category of needing one.

Not a fan as I prefer old school learning and gaining experience through trial and error, but I appreciate not everyone is up for that and Not a fan if it means that the playable content gets run through quicker than might have otherwise and lead to population depletion. Not much more..

I haven`t followed this thread intently, it has been a little long..and it has surprised me that for a select few the passion of those for and against has not waivered. I`m impressed.

What I am up for though is for having elements of the game gated and obtainable through certain avenues.

Gated areas to top players
Gated elements only achievable to mayors or guild leaders
Gated elements to certain classes etc.

I had not noticed the guild comment before, or at least that had not sunk in.

I don`t mind trackings being gated and/or a perk of say a guild leader of a guild of particular size, longevity and/or achievements and perhaps maintained. Provides goals and rewards.

I would prefer it to be something that is NDA shareable online but can be discussed if that is plausible.

Noaani

akabear wrote: »

Personally, I am not a fan of them but equally they are unlikely to affect me as I am likely not in the category of needing one.

Not a fan as I prefer old school learning and gaining experience through trial and error, but I appreciate not everyone is up for that and Not a fan if it means that the playable content gets run through quicker than might have otherwise and lead to population depletion. Not much more..

I haven`t followed this thread intently, it has been a little long..and it has surprised me that for a select few the passion of those for and against has not waivered. I`m impressed.

What I am up for though is for having elements of the game gated and obtainable through certain avenues.

Gated areas to top players
Gated elements only achievable to mayors or guild leaders
Gated elements to certain classes etc.

I had not noticed the guild comment before, or at least that had not sunk in.

I don`t mind trackings being gated and/or a perk of say a guild leader of a guild of particular size, longevity and/or achievements and perhaps maintained. Provides goals and rewards.

I would prefer it to be something that is NDA shareable online but can be discussed if that is plausible.

To be perfectly honest, I would argue for your right top play the game without being subject to combat trackers just as hard as I have argued for others rights to be able to use them if they wish to do so.

That is why the suggestion of the guild based system came in to being - it is the only way I can think of to arrive at a situation where people that don't want to use one are able to do as they desire, and people that do want to use one are able to do as they desire.

I would be more than happy to have any other system that achieved the same goal, if anyone came up with another system.

Tragnar

So far most people i met that are against meters want meters gone universaly, because they believe that their absence "levels" the playing field for them and not only that, but they are mostly glad that they were able to "prevent" minmaxing the game

Most of the toxicity "from" meters is due to the fact that people that are not prepared for a certain content are attempting to join groups that have higher standards and when they don't meet the standards then they are outraged that those people don't want to play with them

Dygz

Nope. Most people who don't want DPS meters simply don't care about the meta.
They are willing to accept failures as they work to find a successful strategy for the people currently in the group. The outrage is more often about friends getting kicked than it is for personally getting kicked.

rikardp98

Dygz wrote: »

Nope. Most people who don't want DPS meters simply don't care about the meta.
They are willing to accept failures as they work to find a successful strategy for the people currently in the group. The outrage is more often about friends getting kicked than it is for personally getting kicked.

But you care about the original meta of the game, tank is tank and fighter is only a damage dealer. So you care about the meta, but you don't care about improving that meta.

Dygz

Tank is tank is not the most efficient tactics available.
Fighter is not only a damage dealer.

Tragnar

It is if you want it to be the only tactic available

I beg you to write something that is actually not denying objective wide-spread known facts

Dygz

I don't even know what you mean by wanting it to be the only tactic available.

Cypher

In this specific case, optimization is the death of creativity. Hardcore people will find a way, everyone else can have a good time. Besides, if you look at the stats of each member of your party you should have a decent idea whether they are strong enough to perform their role in a given raid or dungeon.

rikardp98

Cypher wrote: »

In this specific case, optimization is the death of creativity. Hardcore people will find a way, everyone else can have a good time. Besides, if you look at the stats of each member of your party you should have a decent idea whether they are strong enough to perform their role in a given raid or dungeon.

By saying "Besides, if you look at the stats of each member of your party you should have a decent idea whether they are strong enough to perform their role in a given raid" you just prove that you have never ever played a MMO on a high level. Gear, or stats is not a good indicator on how good a player will preform. Yes it may show that a certain player have played the game and is invested in the game and that player will have the opportunity to preform well.

A good player that want to play on a high level also needs good game awareness, good knowledge of his or hers class and the raid mechanics.

Gear isn't everything.

As you may noticed, i only speak of the top procent of players of which the combat tracker discussion is relevant.

rikardp98

Cypher wrote: »

In this specific case, optimization is the death of creativity. Hardcore people will find a way, everyone else can have a good time. Besides, if you look at the stats of each member of your party you should have a decent idea whether they are strong enough to perform their role in a given raid or dungeon.

I also want to say that combat trackers and factual data will trigger a lot of peoples imagination and creativity. Just look at the druid feral community in wow classic. They look at everything and test everything just so they can make somewhat decent DPS xD

They know that they will never top the DPS meters in a top guild, but they damn try to.

Without combat trackers peoples imagination will just be lost in the sea of everyone else's imagination. With combat trackers you can factual prove that your creativity and imagination actually works and may be the knew meta.

Dygz

You can factually prove that your creativity and imagination actually work by defeating the encounter without combat trackers.

Noaani

Dygz wrote: »

You can factually prove that your creativity and imagination actually work by defeating the encounter without combat trackers.

You can factually prove that your creativity and imagination actually work by defeating the encounter with a combat tracker, as well.

The only way you are not using creativity and imagination in killing a raid encounter is if you get assistance from someone else that has already killed it - that has nothing to do with combat trackers.

Khronus

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Khronus wrote: »

Keep this shit professional so the community doesn't turn into a heaping pile of Activision-Blizzard.

I liked this quote. I also like how your post reads like it could be the last post in the thread.

The perfectly worded ending.

Yet... see you in another 86 pages.

It was the last post for a little while. I checked back and thought.....Hell yeah I freaking DID IT! Yeah no, short lived.

Littlekenny21

Dygz wrote: »

You can factually prove that your creativity and imagination actually work by defeating the encounter without combat trackers.

Unless you get carried and don't realise it.

Vhaeyne

Littlekenny21 wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

You can factually prove that your creativity and imagination actually work by defeating the encounter without combat trackers.

Unless you get carried and don't realise it.

Every time I see the words "YOU DON'T PAY MY SUB!", I think...

How many carries? How many times did this player get carried without realizing it. To be so entitled.

Tragnar

Because there are times when the content is so stupidly easy that he gets carried even though the raid would have been faster without that guy - which sadly creates a wrong impression that he is doing things right and thus never tries to actually improve

Haakon Stormbrow

Damokles wrote: »

The thing is that many games already have a damage log, it should be easy for them to implement an easy display for it. They can make it person specific (no one can see the dmg from other people except when you are the group leader).

DPS meters have a place in games in my opinion, as long as you dont get isolated because you do mediocre dmg. Group/Raid leaders need dps meters to weed out the weak (people who dont carry their own weight if you know what i mean aka those that dont even do mediocre dmg and bring nothing else to the table)

How about if you can opt in to let your stats show on other people’s screen?

And a secondary suggestion would be to display the average damage across the server of that class on the meter. That way you would know if the DPs of the player was actually mediocre or just weak.

Dygz

Littlekenny21 wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

You can factually prove that your creativity and imagination actually work by defeating the encounter without combat trackers.

Unless you get carried and don't realise it.

1: What "you" don't realize has nothing to do with proof.

2: It's a team effort, so individuals being carried doesn't necessarily matter. That's part of being a team.

Tragnar

The meaning of "being carried" is to be contributing way below the expected minimum

The best way to look at it is as follows:

If everyone in the team would contribute the same amount as the one person being carried then there is a big possibility that you won't be able to clear the raid/dungeon at all

What entitles you to not contribute to the team above the expected minimum?

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