Cypher wrote: » HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future! That’s an excellent point. All the people who are against alluring armor/clothing like to say “bUt SkImPy ArMoR wOnT pRoTeCt YoU” uhmmmm neither will robes so “protection” is a total straw man. That, combined with the idea that this is a fantasy game where you can literally summon black holes or meteors and drop them on someone’s head and not have them die immediately shuts them down. There’s no reason not to have the alluring, hot armors. Extra note for anyone reading, because I think some people also get confused by this, hence why they always go to the “bikini plate” argument: I can’t speak for everyone but when I say “armor” I mean any outfit set that you’d take into combat whether it’s robes, leather, plate, etc I just call it all “armor” because it’s a simply catch all. JustVine wrote: » HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future! I simply have dozens of other games with it and a whopping 1 without (and even iceborn went that direction in the end.) I have no other games that are worth playing today or viable to play that have this. Ashes will be the only MMO for me and I want to enjoy how my character looks. Happy you have so many options, I don’t. Feel free to share some titles that are still viable to play (and not dead or a PvP only game) to this day that have this.
HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future!
Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes
JustVine wrote: » HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future! I simply have dozens of other games with it and a whopping 1 without (and even iceborn went that direction in the end.)
HazardNumberSeven wrote: » Jahlon wrote: » They don't have any plans on doing oversexualized armor. There have been some sets that flattering, you can see all the concept art here: https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Costumes That's a shame. I hope that changes over time. For us who aren't religiously repressed, we celebrate sexuality and beautiful designs. Things don't need to be practical, especially when they are robes, leathers, or magic is involved. I hope to see alluring sets for both men and women, in the future!
JustVine wrote: » Disclaimer I have no idea what you want from an mmo, but its not hard to find sexualized skimpy bikini armor in mmos. It's basically industry standard for video games. Things that I have personally enjoyed the cosmetics in that skew towards my personal perception of 'thot' armor. NeverWinter, Skyforge, and BDO just off the top of my head. Games that have a fair mix of both FFXIV (which I don't personally play because a different game fits what I want from it better.) Skyforge in particular has been decent gameplay to decent cosmetic ratio for me personally. I think we are in similar positions. We both are currently looking for a game that fills all our niche desires. Therefore I will reiterate that my problem with sexualized stuff isnt the content itself (again I enjoy it to some degree.) It is that the other half of design gets neglected in favor of the more profitable sexualized stuff. Even when a game has good intentions, it starts skewing more and more that way over time, selling out their intended asthetic for 'what sells best.' I don't blame them for doing so. They are a business. But the simplest way to prevent the demand is to just 'not go down that road to begin with.' This obviously has the flaw of you not getting things you would really like to see. I wish there was a way to balance the two truly and maybe Intrepid will succeed at that. I would be delighted for that to happen. I think the best way to balance the two is to make the more popular to the general video game community stuff 'the paid for option.' It's not like they can get away with cash shop only armor development after all, given their started design goals. But you already iterated you generally agree with me on this point. I am mostly reiterating a lot of this because my position is super nuanced compared to a yes no and I am used to vent misunderstood as a result. I hope you get armor that your truly happy with if the game turns out to fill your needs, regardless of my own opinion.
Cypher wrote: » JustVine wrote: » Disclaimer I have no idea what you want from an mmo, but its not hard to find sexualized skimpy bikini armor in mmos. It's basically industry standard for video games. Things that I have personally enjoyed the cosmetics in that skew towards my personal perception of 'thot' armor. NeverWinter, Skyforge, and BDO just off the top of my head. Games that have a fair mix of both FFXIV (which I don't personally play because a different game fits what I want from it better.) Skyforge in particular has been decent gameplay to decent cosmetic ratio for me personally. I think we are in similar positions. We both are currently looking for a game that fills all our niche desires. Therefore I will reiterate that my problem with sexualized stuff isnt the content itself (again I enjoy it to some degree.) It is that the other half of design gets neglected in favor of the more profitable sexualized stuff. Even when a game has good intentions, it starts skewing more and more that way over time, selling out their intended asthetic for 'what sells best.' I don't blame them for doing so. They are a business. But the simplest way to prevent the demand is to just 'not go down that road to begin with.' This obviously has the flaw of you not getting things you would really like to see. I wish there was a way to balance the two truly and maybe Intrepid will succeed at that. I would be delighted for that to happen. I think the best way to balance the two is to make the more popular to the general video game community stuff 'the paid for option.' It's not like they can get away with cash shop only armor development after all, given their started design goals. But you already iterated you generally agree with me on this point. I am mostly reiterating a lot of this because my position is super nuanced compared to a yes no and I am used to vent misunderstood as a result. I hope you get armor that your truly happy with if the game turns out to fill your needs, regardless of my own opinion. I totally get that it's not hard to find. But it is hard to find a game that I actually care to play. The examples you gave: NeverWinter I have not played but it's 8 years old and has barely 2,000 players. SkyForge I tried a long time ago and if I recall it's basically a tab target game. It's also 6 years old and barely has 100 players. Black Desert I have a lot of experience with, and I use it as an example of how I want the combat, the character creation and the armors/outfits to be! But BDO is a PvP game. There are no raids. The first-ever dungeon was just added recently, after several years. World bosses are a joke. Sailing isn't rewarding. The game is made for you to grind endlessly between PvP sessions or fall behind. That's why I say there isn't anything currently worth playing that gives the type of styles we're talking about. I do agree with you that "thot" armor should be cash shop only, but I think there's still a bit of misunderstanding. I don't have a problem with any of the screenshots that I'm about to link being part of the game without having to spend money. There is nothing inappropriate about any of these styles and I'm advocating for this stuff to be in the base game, and maybe some more "thotty" stuff in the cash shop I guess. Hopefully that's still in line with your wishes. Here are those examples I mentioned of what kind of things should be in-game, not cash shop (You may have seen this in my previous post way back on page 2):
JustVine wrote: »
Valentine wrote: » Cash shops in subscription games is cringe. Knock it off. As for armor, options is always good. Lighter armor can get away with showing a bit more skin but obviously plate is meant to protect so....
Dygz wrote: » Can't wait to see the male versions of those thigh-high high-heels. Especially on a male Ren'Kai.
Dygz wrote: » Steven started playing MMORPGs when he was 7, so... Most likely he will go for a Teen rating.
Conrad wrote: » Dygz wrote: » Steven started playing MMORPGs when he was 7, so... Most likely he will go for a Teen rating. Going for teen is a huge waste of potential, especially if self published. It cuts down on a lot of things you can use in games so they shouldve just gone for an 18 rating or something... but that's opinion based probably
JustVine wrote: » Yeah given your notes in other threads it seems you want a pretty specific game experience. I on the other hand need like three things in AoC to be happy (a good farming system, summoner to work a certain way, and root motion attacks.) However Costume aesthetic means quite a lot to me. I'm a bit of a costume fanatic so 'what stuff' are available disproportionately affects my fun.
JustVine wrote: » Alright. I assume you want my feedback on these. If not please note I am only giving my opinion and not trying to impose my standards on your taste.... The first one seems a bit much. It's extremely ornate for starters. A much less detailed one probably would make more sense for in game. It looks fairly ornamental/costumey over all. If it had more outer thigh protection it'd probably get no complaints from me if it was in game as legendary armor. It feels closer to BDO's asthetic over all. I appreciate a little more realism than you so the second one secondly veers into 'thot' territory for me due to the lack of chainmail. But I think that's a personal style opinion. I just simply strongly dislike 'exposed chest' to that degree as battle armor. Would make a cool vampire costume though. The pirate one is definitely the one I would say is cosmetic shop only if it were up to me. Hands down. Other than the extreme proportions on some of the rest, I think those are perfectly in line with ashes aesthetic. The last one is a little on the edge for me, but not quite. Battle mages gotta get cool stuff right? That's about it from me.
Valentine wrote: » Cash shops in subscription games is cringe. Knock it off.
Valentine wrote: » As for armor, options is always good. Lighter armor can get away with showing a bit more skin but obviously plate is meant to protect so....
wherediditrun wrote: » Weirdly enough, the first thing which got my attention is those god awful pouldrons designed to help kill it's wearer by catching a blade and directing it to the flesh rather then deflecting as what pouldrons should do. If we remove stuff like boobplate, can we also remove illogical fantasy stuff too?
Cadror wrote: » Supposing any of the armor items on here get approved, how much time would be required to put them into the game? Would the material they're made to appear to be of have make the work easier or harder?
Cypher wrote: » JustVine wrote: » Yeah given your notes in other threads it seems you want a pretty specific game experience. I on the other hand need like three things in AoC to be happy (a good farming system, summoner to work a certain way, and root motion attacks.) However Costume aesthetic means quite a lot to me. I'm a bit of a costume fanatic so 'what stuff' are available disproportionately affects my fun. Yeah, I do. I've played enough games to know what I would want from a "perfect" game. Unfortunately, I'm not a loaded multimillionaire like Steven so I can't make my own dream game. But I can be vocal and try to help shape this one, especially because it already has the perfect core concepts. Top of my list for the game to do better/do right are combat (we might agree on that too), female armor style (from cloth to light, medium, and heavy armors), and guild features. That's why those are the main topics I make sure to post on. Not so much guild topics as we haven't seen anything really yet but I've posted some desires in one or two guild threads. The rest of the game seems like it's going how I'd want it to go for the most part. Anyways, back on topic from here on! JustVine wrote: » Alright. I assume you want my feedback on these. If not please note I am only giving my opinion and not trying to impose my standards on your taste.... The first one seems a bit much. It's extremely ornate for starters. A much less detailed one probably would make more sense for in game. It looks fairly ornamental/costumey over all. If it had more outer thigh protection it'd probably get no complaints from me if it was in game as legendary armor. It feels closer to BDO's asthetic over all. I appreciate a little more realism than you so the second one secondly veers into 'thot' territory for me due to the lack of chainmail. But I think that's a personal style opinion. I just simply strongly dislike 'exposed chest' to that degree as battle armor. Would make a cool vampire costume though. The pirate one is definitely the one I would say is cosmetic shop only if it were up to me. Hands down. Other than the extreme proportions on some of the rest, I think those are perfectly in line with ashes aesthetic. The last one is a little on the edge for me, but not quite. Battle mages gotta get cool stuff right? That's about it from me. Well these are just images pulled from google to convey a style. I don't want to nitpick the details of them. There are things I would change too but the point is there is nothing in this vein available in Ashes so far. And I wouldn't call any of it "thot" armor. Look up Tera Online and then get back to me lmao. I don't want Tera stuff in Ashes any more than you I'm guessing. About the second one though, I really can't see what's wrong with that set exactly how it is and calling it "light armor". People who want to totally cover up in chain-mail or plate-mail can have "heavy armor". The lighter the armor, the more revealing it can be if you ask me. Already confirmed these armor tiers will be a thing.
Phew! This was quite the project doing all these replies but it's refreshing to be discussing on this forum rather than fighting! =D
JustVine wrote: » Cypher wrote: » JustVine wrote: » Yeah given your notes in other threads it seems you want a pretty specific game experience. I on the other hand need like three things in AoC to be happy (a good farming system, summoner to work a certain way, and root motion attacks.) However Costume aesthetic means quite a lot to me. I'm a bit of a costume fanatic so 'what stuff' are available disproportionately affects my fun. Yeah, I do. I've played enough games to know what I would want from a "perfect" game. Unfortunately, I'm not a loaded multimillionaire like Steven so I can't make my own dream game. But I can be vocal and try to help shape this one, especially because it already has the perfect core concepts. Top of my list for the game to do better/do right are combat (we might agree on that too), female armor style (from cloth to light, medium, and heavy armors), and guild features. That's why those are the main topics I make sure to post on. Not so much guild topics as we haven't seen anything really yet but I've posted some desires in one or two guild threads. The rest of the game seems like it's going how I'd want it to go for the most part. Anyways, back on topic from here on! JustVine wrote: » Alright. I assume you want my feedback on these. If not please note I am only giving my opinion and not trying to impose my standards on your taste.... The first one seems a bit much. It's extremely ornate for starters. A much less detailed one probably would make more sense for in game. It looks fairly ornamental/costumey over all. If it had more outer thigh protection it'd probably get no complaints from me if it was in game as legendary armor. It feels closer to BDO's asthetic over all. I appreciate a little more realism than you so the second one secondly veers into 'thot' territory for me due to the lack of chainmail. But I think that's a personal style opinion. I just simply strongly dislike 'exposed chest' to that degree as battle armor. Would make a cool vampire costume though. The pirate one is definitely the one I would say is cosmetic shop only if it were up to me. Hands down. Other than the extreme proportions on some of the rest, I think those are perfectly in line with ashes aesthetic. The last one is a little on the edge for me, but not quite. Battle mages gotta get cool stuff right? That's about it from me. Well these are just images pulled from google to convey a style. I don't want to nitpick the details of them. There are things I would change too but the point is there is nothing in this vein available in Ashes so far. And I wouldn't call any of it "thot" armor. Look up Tera Online and then get back to me lmao. I don't want Tera stuff in Ashes any more than you I'm guessing. About the second one though, I really can't see what's wrong with that set exactly how it is and calling it "light armor". People who want to totally cover up in chain-mail or plate-mail can have "heavy armor". The lighter the armor, the more revealing it can be if you ask me. Already confirmed these armor tiers will be a thing. Sorry if it sounded like I was nitpicking too hard I just have extremely specific opinions on a lot of aspects about cosmetics. I can get a little overfocused when giving my opinion. Other than the pirate one I generally agree with you irt them not being 'thot' level. We definitely have slightly different thresholds it sounds like, but not irreconcilable. I am curious what sort of adjustments you would like made to the past pre,order costumes to fit closer to your desired aesthetic or even past ones that you thought were close with a bit more tweaking would also be cool to know. (I would link them here myself but I haven't figured out bbc images yet. Please teach me your witchcraft in pm if you don't mind >.>;;;)
Nerror wrote: » Cloth and leather armor showing some skin doesn't bother me too much. It can definitely be over-sexualized though, and often is. What really friggin annoys me are high heels. Seriously! Who in the ever-living f... think going around outdoors on beaches and in mud and on mountains in high heels is a good thing. And then fighting in those environments? Magic, dragons, never having to poo or pee, sure, whatevs, it's a game. But high heels in combat? Hell no.
