new world world vs ashes world

really hoping that intrepid takes some ideas out of the world in new world, ashes has some cool features but the world in new world is so immersive, obviously ashes is still only in an alpha though

what are your thoughts from people that have played the new world beta vs ashes alpha?

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Dygz

New World is a survival game trying to become an MMORPG, so...
Depends on what you mean, specifically.

But, sure, I love the New World compass. And the New World NPC combat behavior is great.

Chicago

Dygz wrote: »

New World is a survival game trying to become an MMORPG, so...
Depends on what you mean, specifically.

But, sure, I love the New World compass. And the New World NPC combat behavior is great.

just the immersion in general, some things that ashes have done well vs some things that new world have done well,

stuff you would like to see from new world in ashes, for me i am way more excited about playing ashes than new world but the graphics and world emersion in new world far out weighs that of ashes, as i said ashes is earlier in development, i just hope they have the same sorta feel when the alpha 2 / beta come around

Chicago

new world i think does scaling alot better

George_Black

Shuiyn wrote: »

new world i think does scaling alot better

How so?

Chicago

George Black wrote: »

Shuiyn wrote: »

new world i think does scaling alot better

How so?

https://ibb.co/wySyqVn

vs

https://ibb.co/YdCtMJz

ashes seems like you are more floating above the world, your character seems to small and terrain over scaled

where as new world seems like you are more part of the world, like the wind and weather have an impacting type feel, more immersive, this is just my opinion

Dygz

George Black wrote: »

Shuiyn wrote: »

new world i think does scaling alot better

How so?

LMFAO

maouw

Shuiyn wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Shuiyn wrote: »

new world i think does scaling alot better

How so?

https://ibb.co/wySyqVn

vs

https://ibb.co/YdCtMJz

ashes seems like you are more floating above the world, your character seems to small and terrain over scaled

where as new world seems like you are more part of the world, like the wind and weather have an impacting type feel, more immersive, this is just my opinion

I think I can see what you mean, but it looks like that has more to do with how zoomed in the camera is (it's especially obvious if you zoom in on the New World screenshot by 175% so they're the same size).
The scale of bushes is about the same in both (bush to player ratio).

Ashes has its camera really far back - almost like a 2.5D game - but I don't think you need to give this up to achieve the same immersion.
Instead you could use large scale architectures to "hug" the edges of the camera and achieve a similar sense of "smallness in a big world". But I wonder if that would create issues with camera clipping?

JamesSunderland

Shuiyn wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Shuiyn wrote: »

new world i think does scaling alot better

How so?

https://ibb.co/wySyqVn

vs

https://ibb.co/YdCtMJz

ashes seems like you are more floating above the world, your character seems to small and terrain over scaled

where as new world seems like you are more part of the world, like the wind and weather have an impacting type feel, more immersive, this is just my opinion

I believe the camera distance from the character plays quite of a role in this proportion illusion.

Nerror

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I believe the camera distance from the character plays quite of a role in this proportion illusion.

This very much. Zoom in in Ashes next time you play it @Shuiyn , or watch a streamer like Luki (check earlier vods or youtube vids from Ashes) who often plays zoomed in, and the difference is obvious.

maouw

Ashes DOES look beautiful when you zoom in up and close!

Unforch, everyone's going to maximize their vision so loss of immersion will be the price to pay.

JustVine

maouw wrote: »

Ashes DOES look beautiful when you zoom in up and close!

Unforch, everyone's going to maximize their vision so loss of immersion will be the price to pay.

Yep. I really feel bad for the textures team. For a myriad of reasons and this is definitely one of them.

Xerheart

While I can see the argument that when you zoom in it looks better, I don't think it is a solution, and I would imagine the developers are not happy with it either if I had to take a guess. They probably want the game to look good no matter if you are zoomed out or in. (Obvious zoomed in will look the best, but I assume they want zoomed out to look pretty good still).

However, I think most of these issues are simply Alpha related. But I will give my 2 cents on it, even though I think these issues will be ironed out eventually. The issue you speak of I feel like is broken down into three parts:

1.) Character model scale - I feel like the overall scale of the model looks slightly off, which makes objects around you (trees, buildings, etc) look unnatural.

2.) Character walking animation - The character model walking and running animation is not fully polished. Characters are too stiff, in New World the character will lean in when they start running, move their arms more naturally and there is greater "weight" to the movement of their legs. This avoids part of the "floaty" feeling.

3.) Character foot to ground connect or collision? (not sure how to word it) - This would be the other part of the floaty feeling, where, In watching people play, it sometimes looks like the foot doesn't fully connect with the ground on certain terrain.

To answer the original question: I think what New World does, better than any other MMO I've seen, is the satisfying gathering process, specifically Woodcutting and mining. The sound design of these two is phenomenal, the echo of a pick hitting a rock on a mountain as it rings out is amazing. The animation for felling trees is awesome too. I would love to see this level of detail added to AoC gathering professions.

Magic Man

maouw wrote: »

Ashes DOES look beautiful when you zoom in up and close!

Unforch, everyone's going to maximize their vision so loss of immersion will be the price to pay.

Yep, unless they add precise aim abilities - in which case being zoomed in would have its own advantages.

JustVine

The problem is that after a certain amount of zoom, texture details have a finite amount of depth unless you want to use more graphical resources on it. Mmos have a set limit on how many resources you can use.

Intrepid's design team knows this because it's really the most basic of basic knowledge. I assume they have skilled enough poodle to have done the calculation on 'how far put you can zoom without losing good detail.

Further zoom will always look more simple. There are ways to do this well but they are generally either more cartoonish or involve even higher processing power given the level of realism and shaders Intrepid has I chosen to use to make the macro world give a certain feel.

Otoh how far one needs to zoom out is a game mechanics decision.

Unfortunately there are three competing interests and this means somebody is going to be unhappy. Just how game design goes. I feel bad for the textures team because they are must likely getting the short end of the stick.

There are limitations to how good ashes can look at the current zoom and design priorities. There are only minor improvements they can make without changing certain key resource usage in their rendering or compromising on zoom distance. It's bad to expect they will improve much from here without someone else budging.

Dygz

Xerheart wrote: »

While I can see the argument that when you zoom in it looks better, I don't think it is a solution, and I would imagine the developers are not happy with it either if I had to take a guess.

It's an observation; not an argument or a solution.
It's also Alpha One.

Xerheart

Dygz wrote: »

It's an observation; not an argument or a solution.

Yea good point, I think I misunderstood what people were saying and I could've worded it better!

Dygz wrote: »

It's also Alpha One.

Yep! That's why I mentioned so In my post.

Atama

JustVine wrote: »

Intrepid's design team knows this because it's really the most basic of basic knowledge. I assume they have skilled enough poodle to have done the calculation on 'how far put you can zoom without losing good detail.

Don't worry, they got that covered.

JustVine

Atama wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

Intrepid's design team knows this because it's really the most basic of basic knowledge. I assume they have skilled enough poodle to have done the calculation on 'how far put you can zoom without losing good detail.

Don't worry, they got that covered.

Rip my autocorrect

KoshmaryGods

When the AoC comes out, the players will forget about NW by then, lol

McMackMuck

Shuiyn wrote: »

George Black wrote: »

Shuiyn wrote: »

new world i think does scaling alot better

How so?

https://ibb.co/wySyqVn
vs
https://ibb.co/YdCtMJz
ashes seems like you are more floating above the world, your character seems to small and terrain over scaled
where as new world seems like you are more part of the world, like the wind and weather have an impacting type feel, more immersive, this is just my opinion

Caveat: NW has been in and out of Beta for a while now, AoC is in Alpha.
The pictures are useful feedback for Intrepid.

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