Do you think you are a part of the "Target Audience"? Why or Why not?

I was going to ask this in the related thread, but I feel this question is specific enough to need a separate thread.

I'll start:

I think I am a part of the target audience. Here is why.

I value the emergent storytelling that comes from a persistent open world competitive environment as the apex of modern gaming. Games like Eve, Darkfall Online, Lineage 2, and Mortal Online have been among my favorite examples. Games where the world is not an instanced theme park, but a theater of war for real-world people to not have to role-play, but to actually be a part of a real war. To me, the drama and betrayal that comes from these environments is better than any book I can read or movie I can watch.

This is what Ashes is trying to do with the node and corruption systems. The node system turns the traditional MMORPG world into a living, breathing theater of war. No longer will zones, be static areas for developers to tell their stories, but instead they will be dynamic areas for players to live their stories.

What also appeals to me about Ashes is that, unlike the four games listed above. Ashes has what those games have, and the features of a modern MMORPG. Mounts, cosmetics, housing, and good graphics. I have always said that I love Sci-fi, but if there was a fantasy game that was like EVE with modern third-person combat. That would be the game for me. Ashes is not exactly that, but it is a close enough cousin to get me excited and accept some of the things I feel are flaws.

If you think I am not a part of the "Target Audience", based on anything I have just said. I invite you to tell me why as well.

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Noaani

Neurath wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

That both PvP and PvE are unavoidable to progress.

Now, explain to me what this adds to the conversation?

So all MMOs are PvX by the power of your logic.

Nope.

I can think of a lot of MMO's that don't need PvP in order to progress, and a number in which you can progress in PvP only as well - especially arena PvP.

Xerheart

On the risk of making another off the rails post, like the one in the CC Rng thread: I hope there is another set of npcs somewhere, discussing the color of the sky and disagreeing.

On a side note: I hope people don't feel like I'm ridiculing them, I see a lot of conflicting opinions and people getting into heavy debates on these forums. I hope at the end of the day, even if people get frustrated or bothered etc, we all realize we are in here posting our ideas because we an intense passion and desire for this game to be good. I know its off topic and sounds like soppy BS, but I def appreciate how in-depth some of these discussions get, even when I myself, get bothered/disagree with some opinions!

Noaani

JustVine wrote: »

This is why I have not called them out as using immoral marketing practices.

No one has.

Well, not no one, but no one in this thread.

I would call Intrepids marketing amoral, not immoral. This puts it on a higher moral plane than most marketing which is - lets be honest - an industry that is literally based on manipulation.

JustVine

Noaani wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

This is why I have not called them out as using immoral marketing practices.

No one has.

Well, not no one, but no one in this thread.

I would call Intrepids marketing amoral, not immoral. This puts it on a higher moral plane than most marketing which is - lets be honest - an industry that is literally based on manipulation.

The morality of marketing practices is a whole subfield. Albeit underfunded. It is one I felt compelled to study myself, though I didn't feel like persuing ethics as a whole in a professional fashion as it would deviate from what I find enjoyable and fulfilling. But rest assured that good people are doing their best to make sure there are systems and methodologies constantly being developed to give more people tools to push against immoral marketing.

You can bank on me being extremely vocal and persistent about it if Intrepid ever crosses that line.

Noaani

JustVine wrote: »

You can bank on me being extremely vocal and persistent about it if Intrepid ever crosses that line.

You'll need to get in line for that, tbh.

However, Intrepid not currently being involved in immoral marketing does not mean they are doing a good job of defining their target player base.

bloodprophet

That we are in a base agreement on the over all idea of what we think it will be.

Noaani wrote: »

bloodprophet wrote: »

We are asking what you think it means.

That both PvP and PvE are unavoidable to progress.

Now, explain to me what this adds to the conversation?

It allows us to understand where each of us is coming from as a starting point. It helps us to have a better conversation and limits (hopefully) us talking past each other.

For example for you it is both PvP and PvE are unavoidable and I see them as necessary.
Slight difference but still different.

bloodprophet

To the point of themebox and sandpark.
These terms are very ambiguous. What is the cut off point in content from sand box elements and theme park elements? 60/40, 70/30, 90/10 before we loose the intended identity of what they are attempting to accomplish and enter the realm of just another theme park copy paste MMO or sandbox go make your own fun early Minecraft style?
While I don't think Intrepid should pigeon hole themselves and give a number cause far to many people are already looking to find fault and if they are even 1% off some no wit will make a YT video crying bloody hell.
I tend to think and hope they are pushing more towards 70/30 sandbox but if it ends up closer to 50/50 that will be ok as well.

Dygz

There is no cut-off.
Ashes has both and they are intertwined - much like PvX:

When it comes to how MMO’s have been traditionally designed, most gamers are familiar with two distinct types of gameplay loops: the “theme park”, and the “sandbox”. The vast majority of MMO’s we’ve all seen come and go in the gaming industry have been of the theme park variety – these games put the player onto a specific path, guiding them along, with plenty of pretty sights in between the same old quest hubs, very little in divergent paths, virtually no freedom in player progression. Recently the MMO genre has seen some games of the sandbox nature come onto the scene, but despite the ultimate freedom the sandbox affords players, many are left wanting more, as there is by definition no pre built world content, no human touch, just the vastness of the “sand” for lack of a better term. Thus many MMO players often find themselves caught between the repetitive rock of the theme park or the vast dead spaces of the sandbox’s hard place. This chasm between the state of MMO gameplay loops is where we intend to inject Ashes of Creation’s Node system.

In order for sandbox mechanics to mean something, there must be curated content to accompany the player’s choices. Which means, as the developers, we must create that Themebox style content but for every possible path the community may take.
---Steven Sharif

Vhaeyne

Dygz wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I think if you got mixed up with a good guild that was progressing and the guilds problems became your problems. You would be so focused on everything you need to do to make yourself and your guild more powerful. That you would not care about having a mount collection or exploring every zone. You would be too busy crushing it with an actual team of humans to care about end-games the way FFXIV and WOW have them. Things like instanced raids would not matter because your guilds dealings would be too important.

This wasn't addressed to me, so... I understand that you were saying the person you responded to has a mindset/playstyle similar to yours and you understand that you and I do not...

My bartle score is Explorer 87%; Socializer 73% ; Achiever 47%; Killer 0%
So, it would never be that joining a guild would lessen my desire to explore every zone.
I would never being interested in "crushing it". Crushing it is not the motivation I have for being social in MMORPGs. I would rather go visit my guild members' freeholds to take a look at their mount collections.
I would probably spend more time holding mount races on their freeholds than I would out in the world "crushing it" with them.
Although, Ashes Castle Sieges are fun, so my would be doing some of that together, regardless of whether we actually "crush it".

Lots of different playstyles in MMORPGs and Ashes has almost everyone of them as their target audience...according to Jeffrey. All playing on the same server. The challenge is having all those playstyles willing to play together on the same server.
Though Jeffrey indicates that different servers will have different concentrations of the playstyles, so it will be fairly easy to find a server that best fits your playstyle as those with similar playstyles migrate to the same server.

Ashes doesn't have an end game, so I definitely wouldn't be caring about endgame.

Bartle is nonsense.

If you don't join a guild and crush it, you will be crushed. End of story.

Okeydoke

Jfc dygz what kind of nerd score is that lol. People are taking over your village and enslaving your wife and children. Dygz: ok see yall im going exploring

Dygz

That happens sometimes.
Come back from a trip and the village is gone.

Noaani

Vhaeyne wrote: »

Bartle is nonsense.

Indeed.

Going around quoting your Bartle score is about the same as going around stating "my star sign is Asparagus", and thinking that means something to someone.

Okeydoke

Lmao dygz. I don't know anything about bartle, never taken it. Just amazed that someone could score a 0 in killer.

And this is coming from someone who when I do interior/exterior painting I make a concerted effort to save all the little spiders in the nooks and crannies of baseboard etc

JustVine

Dygz wrote: »

Vhaeyne wrote: »

I think if you got mixed up with a good guild that was progressing and the guilds problems became your problems. You would be so focused on everything you need to do to make yourself and your guild more powerful. That you would not care about having a mount collection or exploring every zone. You would be too busy crushing it with an actual team of humans to care about end-games the way FFXIV and WOW have them. Things like instanced raids would not matter because your guilds dealings would be too important.

This wasn't addressed to me, so... I understand that you were saying the person you responded to has a mindset/playstyle similar to yours and you understand that you and I do not...

My bartle score is Explorer 87%; Socializer 73% ; Achiever 47%; Killer 0%
So, it would never be that joining a guild would lessen my desire to explore every zone.
I would never being interested in "crushing it". Crushing it is not the motivation I have for being social in MMORPGs. I would rather go visit my guild members' freeholds to take a look at their mount collections.
I would probably spend more time holding mount races on their freeholds than I would out in the world "crushing it" with them.
Although, Ashes Castle Sieges are fun, so my would be doing some of that together, regardless of whether we actually "crush it".

Lots of different playstyles in MMORPGs and Ashes has almost everyone of them as their target audience...according to Jeffrey. All playing on the same server. The challenge is having all those playstyles willing to play together on the same server.
Though Jeffrey indicates that different servers will have different concentrations of the playstyles, so it will be fairly easy to find a server that best fits your playstyle as those with similar playstyles migrate to the same server.

Ashes doesn't have an end game, so I definitely wouldn't be caring about endgame.

If you aren't interested in fighting at all it IS kind of weird that you are attracted to a game that revolves around open world pvp and is extremely heavily geared towards player to player politics... Plenty of other games have casual friendly social fun, exploration, and PvE experiences. Why pick the one where half the game is going to revolve around killing people. Especially when so much of their PvE experience is undefined.

Dygz

I agree it's amazing.
I'm about as carebear as one can get. Even in D&D, I prefer to use Charisma skills to talk the group past battle rather than actually engage in combat.

Although, Ashes sieges are fun.
And I love to slaughter stuff in KOA:Reckoning and I love to hunt in Valheim.

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