In-Game gambling

I quite like this part of mmos. This can be a great distraction for crippling addicts such as myself me! .Maybe there could be a possibility that items could be betted on and there could be a gold estimation according to the average auction house price given so you can bet gold against it or bet an item of equal value, Or maybe... even deeds to player freeholds.
Taverns already have parlor games and these can be a nice addition to them.

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Kesthely

On an rp point of view i love having dice games and other gambling concepts in the game. However if i look at the real world there are a few big concerns for this as well. I fear that in game gambling, that is with in game assets or for Vanity items will have a detrimental impact on the game.

Providing in game gambling services, entices people to set up gambling den's. This can be highly addictive, and generally not good for the game. Here's my reasoning why:

1) It raises a games Pegi and ESBR ratings significantly, which reduces the amount of (new) players
2) it opens up an easy way to create RMT
3) it provides less detectability for RMT

Ironhope

Cities should be able to have their own ''clubs'' and bars and that sort of stuff which they should be able to customize to have mini-games including casino-like games.

McMackMuck

"Only a fool fights when the odds are even."
When gambling the odds are in favor of the house winning, otherwise the house would go bankrupt.
The house arranges fights that they are statistically set to win and then invites fools to fight them.
If you have a scheme that effectively counters the house's intrinsic bias then you are very likely to get banned from that gambling establishment after a big win.

That said, you are free to dispose of your money as you see fit.

JulioSaphire

Hey, I agree that gaming is a great distraction from life's stresses! Adding betting options to MMOs could be fun, especially if it's done fairly and in a controlled way. Your suggestion of betting items or deeds to player freeholds sounds intriguing and could add an extra layer of excitement to the game. Also, have you ever tried online gaming platforms like w88? They offer a wide range of games and features that might interest you. Cheers!

Arya_Yeshe

My gambling suggestions is: in the arena let people gamble their gear or have a league where people gamble a portion of their gear from 0% to 100%. The match will be set in the smallest percentage, so if a player set 10% and the other 100%, then the match will be on 10%. Or maybe even have a weekly or monthly tournament for this where all matches are hard set, or maybe there's a policy in the military node to start this. Who knows

Maybe a league of 50% gear drop, the system will split this 50% between winner and save a portion as prize for the top 3. So the champion would win stacks of gear, he would need a caravan to move this stuff.

I would not let spectators have any kind of gambling in-game system, because it will manipulated the entire time. In another game we have to deal with manipulation constantly.

Arya_Yeshe

Siege gamble: because the snode iege is at risk of being completely destroyed, the risk of manipulation is minimal, it should be worth gambling on siege results.

Can you imagine, you are a defender and bet on the attackers?

This would be a good way of cutting your losses

Arya_Yeshe

If there is player instanced arenas, a big PvP guild could run it's own arena season with many participants and have gambling

Arya_Yeshe

Raffles are a thing, if you have a twitch channel raffling gear 24/7 and letting players add their raffles, it would be awesome. In EVE there is a scandalous in-game system called the HyperNet Relay, people gamble non stop for all kinds of items up to purple items

JamesSunderland

I believe the main way people will "gamble" in Ashes will be through the expected RNG Over-enchanting system, so that might be interesting for those who want some form of gambling.

Certainly a type of "gambling" far way from "EU gambling law" restrictions.

Noaani

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

My gambling suggestions is: in the arena let people gamble their gear or have a league where people gamble a portion of their gear from 0% to 100%. The match will be set in the smallest percentage, so if a player set 10% and the other 100%, then the match will be on 10%.

Not saying I like this idea or not, but I will tell you what 100% will happen with it.

RMT websites will, once payment is confirmed, instruct the buyer to go to the arena on their server and fight the character the seller is using. The RMT seller will ensure that the value of what they are waging is exactly the value the buyer has paid for, and then they will both set the stakes to 100%. Seller loses, buyer gets what they bought, everyone goes their own way.

The reason this would be a bit of a problem as opposed to trade windows is that Intrepid can flag overly one sided trades between players and manually look over them. Any form of gambling is always going to be one sided and so wont be looked over, and if players have the ability to manipulate that gambling it can (and will) be used as a means of black market trade.

I'm not saying that this is an insurmountable issue, but it is an issue that needs to be considered when discussing any form of player controlled gambling.

Goalid

Ah another great reason to hate Europe. Taking reasonable concerns about loot box RNG systems and then using it to outlaw fun games like poker with friends in a game with a virtual currency, where it's literally against the TOS to trade gold for RL money.

Dezemi

Goalid wrote: »

Ah another great reason to hate Europe. Taking reasonable concerns about loot box RNG systems and then using it to outlaw fun games like poker with friends in a game with a virtual currency, where it's literally against the TOS to trade gold for RL money.

Ahahahaha....

Some European countries, maybe. But not Sweden.

The government here owns the biggest casino/gambling business and there are at least 2-3 commercials for different gambling sites/apps on TV and radio during EVERY break. :')

As for gambling ingame, my stance is neutral as long as irl cash loot boxes isn't a thing.

Obviously there is the "don't encourage young players to gamble"-bit, but I remain skeptical to that statement.
1) People used the same argument for violence in video games long ago. The claim didn't stick when science caught up.
2) I´d rather have people learn the downward spiral of gambling in a game rather than irl. I learned to handle gambling at a young age thanks to video games. Losing all of my hard earned ingame stuff made me not want to do the same irl. x']

The only real issue I can see is the RMT market that @Noaani mentioned. Not sure how AoC would monitor that without letting innocents hit the ban hammer. I've had friends banned in WoW for trading with their spouses, friends and even irl children. :'] Never happened to me nor my family though - and we toss gold back and forth both in WoW and GW2 quite a lot.

Nerror

I think it's enough that we have parlor games and the stock market in the game. Some low stakes parlor gambly games is fine. If players want to do high stakes games, they can set up their own system with an escrow agent or something, but any such transactions should suffer the same scrutiny for RMT as any other transaction in the game. Having won or lost a game should not be an excuse or factor, if the trade is deemed suspicious.

The stock market in real life is mostly gambling anyway, based on the feelings of rich people. Well, for those at the top it's mostly fraud based with the dark pools and after hours trading and what-not. It's a little hard to say how it'll turn out ingame, but I am sure a lot of it will also be based on the feelings of people in power. It's going to be interesting to see. I hope Intrepid keeps the amount of gold and potential winnings in the stock exchange low at first, and then slowly ramp it up as they squash any bugs and loop-holes on the way.

Songcaller

Don't care either way. I try not to waste gold. Wouldn't even do the stock markets I imagine.

Arya_Yeshe

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

My gambling suggestions is: in the arena let people gamble their gear or have a league where people gamble a portion of their gear from 0% to 100%. The match will be set in the smallest percentage, so if a player set 10% and the other 100%, then the match will be on 10%.

Not saying I like this idea or not, but I will tell you what 100% will happen with it.

RMT websites will, once payment is confirmed, instruct the buyer to go to the arena on their server and fight the character the seller is using. The RMT seller will ensure that the value of what they are waging is exactly the value the buyer has paid for, and then they will both set the stakes to 100%. Seller loses, buyer gets what they bought, everyone goes their own way.

The reason this would be a bit of a problem as opposed to trade windows is that Intrepid can flag overly one sided trades between players and manually look over them. Any form of gambling is always going to be one sided and so wont be looked over, and if players have the ability to manipulate that gambling it can (and will) be used as a means of black market trade.

I'm not saying that this is an insurmountable issue, but it is an issue that needs to be considered when discussing any form of player controlled gambling.

Because players can't trade... right?
There is no trading in AoC, so people will do in the arena

There's no caravans, no trading, no nothing

Noaani

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

The reason this would be a bit of a problem as opposed to trade windows is that Intrepid can flag overly one sided trades between players and manually look over them.

Because players can't trade... right?
There is o trading in AoC, so people will do in the arena

There's no caravans, no trading, no nothing

Did you not even read before replying?

I mean, I literally explained why this would still happen even with player to player trading in the game.

I am unsure how you think caravans would be used for any of this.

Arya_Yeshe

Noaani wrote: »

Arya_Yeshe wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

The reason this would be a bit of a problem as opposed to trade windows is that Intrepid can flag overly one sided trades between players and manually look over them.

Because players can't trade... right?
There is o trading in AoC, so people will do in the arena

There's no caravans, no trading, no nothing

Did you not even read before replying?

I mean, I literally explained why this would still happen even with player to player trading in the game.

I am unsure how you think caravans would be used for any of this.

I did, that's why I'm not concernd. That's not how you detect RMT anyway

Noaani

Goalid wrote: »

Ah another great reason to hate Europe. Taking reasonable concerns about loot box RNG systems and then using it to outlaw fun games like poker with friends in a game with a virtual currency, where it's literally against the TOS to trade gold for RL money.

I know right.

Imagine having law makers that want to actually protect their constituents rather than putting all their focus on protecting the interests of which ever company is lobbying them the hardest.

Disgusting!

kevin286

A game of Dice to settle a multitude of things.

Diamaht

Noaani wrote: »

Vaknar wrote: »

I think as long as there aren't tavern slot machines I'll be happy c:

So, you'd be happy with gambling that goes against EU laws, as long as it isn't a tavern slot machine?

Good to know.

FFXIV has an entire casino area filled with mini games. Everyone has fun with it and Yoshi-P has not been called before the UN yet.

Edit: Also, why is the stock market being talked about here? That's not gambling lol. If your broker is "placing bets" for you, I'd politely ask him to mix in some research.

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