Atama wrote: » @Dolyem I'm waiting for the thread where you and @daveywavey hold an entire conversation solely in gifs.
Dolyem wrote: » Orym wrote: » It's true, cosmetics and other cash shop nonsense ruines the whole vibe of a game (especially mmos).
Orym wrote: » It's true, cosmetics and other cash shop nonsense ruines the whole vibe of a game (especially mmos).
Hexenkartothek wrote: » . Don’t give me the reasons why you claim they need MTX to develop the game. That’s BS. The sub fee more than pays for the game and the continued development.
rikardp98 wrote: » However, I would very much so be against a in-game shop once the game have been fully released. Yes the game maybe good and a cosmetic shop won't hurt the game from the beginning, but after a few years they need to up the cosmetics more and more and finally they would be in the same position as retail WoW is today... You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Let players earn gear and variance of the same gear IN GAME, not from a cosmetic shop.
Atama wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » However, I would very much so be against a in-game shop once the game have been fully released. Yes the game maybe good and a cosmetic shop won't hurt the game from the beginning, but after a few years they need to up the cosmetics more and more and finally they would be in the same position as retail WoW is today... You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Let players earn gear and variance of the same gear IN GAME, not from a cosmetic shop. Too bad, because the shop ain't going anywhere. I've seen this same ridiculous suggestion before that somehow WoW is harmed due to selling cosmetics. It's literally based on nothing. You might as well claim WoW was taken over by aliens from planet Zorglon and it has all been downhill since. You're also under the mistaken assumption that the cosmetics in the shop are going to be better than what you earn in-game, which is not true. Their goal is to make them equivalent. So what are you worried about?
rikardp98 wrote: » A lot of people like to farm gear just for the sake of having different gear sets and looking cool. If one can buy cosmetics, equal or not, will devalue that part of the game. People say that ashes isn't about looking cool or fashion, but people that do like that stuff are usually completionist which are the players that play the game the most. Look at wow, back in the day you had players running the same dungeon over and over to get one specific mount, just to have it and show of. Today when you can buy mounts from the store and and get overwhelming amounts of mount easy, special rare mounts are no longer special. You don't care about other peoples mounts, you only care about what you have. And that is partially because of the in-game shop. ESO is also a great example, looking cool comes down to cash shop costumes/mounts. I'm not saying ashes will be like this at launch, I'm just saying that having an cash shop can, and probably will, lead to this.
CROW3 wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » A lot of people like to farm gear just for the sake of having different gear sets and looking cool. If one can buy cosmetics, equal or not, will devalue that part of the game. People say that ashes isn't about looking cool or fashion, but people that do like that stuff are usually completionist which are the players that play the game the most. Look at wow, back in the day you had players running the same dungeon over and over to get one specific mount, just to have it and show of. Today when you can buy mounts from the store and and get overwhelming amounts of mount easy, special rare mounts are no longer special. You don't care about other peoples mounts, you only care about what you have. And that is partially because of the in-game shop. ESO is also a great example, looking cool comes down to cash shop costumes/mounts. I'm not saying ashes will be like this at launch, I'm just saying that having an cash shop can, and probably will, lead to this. Not sure who all the 'people' are that you're referencing. Might be safer to just state your opinion as your opinion, which is valid on its own merit. WoW has had a cash-shop for well over a decade, and it has nothing to do with it's downfall. ESO has interesting in game armor as well, but again - it's all subjective.
Podgnil wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Podgnil wrote: » I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction. This is just needless segregation of the player base. There will be a number of regions with enough of a population to support only a single server, and Intrepid have already said no to alternate ruleset servers - so having different different servers based on cosmetics is just odd. Yep, i understend thet this question is loked, but if we tolk about dreammmo, thet what i want, and most part of players will agree with me )
Noaani wrote: » Podgnil wrote: » I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction. This is just needless segregation of the player base. There will be a number of regions with enough of a population to support only a single server, and Intrepid have already said no to alternate ruleset servers - so having different different servers based on cosmetics is just odd.
Podgnil wrote: » I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction.
Noaani wrote: » Podgnil wrote: » Noaani wrote: » Podgnil wrote: » I agree with autor. But cosmetic MTX make price for suscribe lower. But if ur ask my will i make servers - reservations for those who buy pre order, and where cosmetic is avaleble in shop with lower sub price. But some services without cosmetic have a 5$ more sub price. Its will be excelent. Who want to buy his look in shop, can do it and thear will be enought of players who just want pay less look usual. and it will be reward for thoose who already buy preorder. And for usual players should be servers without any transaction. This is just needless segregation of the player base. There will be a number of regions with enough of a population to support only a single server, and Intrepid have already said no to alternate ruleset servers - so having different different servers based on cosmetics is just odd. Yep, i understend thet this question is loked, but if we tolk about dreammmo, thet what i want, and most part of players will agree with me ) Actually, if you look over this thread and others like it, what you will see is that most players agree with Intrepid in this being an acceptable way to make a profit from the game. The concept of visual progression in MMO's is an artificial concept that players have generated.
rikardp98 wrote: » Visual progression is something that Intrepid have acknowledged and are developing. And all MMOs i have played have had Visual progression were high end gear looks much more powerful and interesting than low level gear.
Noaani wrote: » rikardp98 wrote: » Visual progression is something that Intrepid have acknowledged and are developing. And all MMOs i have played have had Visual progression were high end gear looks much more powerful and interesting than low level gear. And yet people still have preferences as to what they think looks good. This is why visual progression isn't a concept to develop around. What those games you have played have actually done is developed specific looks, put them on top end gear and then basically told you that it looks good and you have just blindly accepted that. I have yet to play a game where my favorite looking equipment in the whole game was later than about level 30 - but that is because I much prefer a somewhat realistic look, and top end gear seldom has that.
rikardp98 wrote: » Let's say they released a gardener gear set in the shop, that would be cool and something that probably could do. But wouldn't it be much more fun and rewarding go obtain that Gear via in-game farming and gathering?
Noaani wrote: » There will still be looks that are only able to be obtained in game - and those specific looks will be the ones with flexibility to make it exactly how you want it. Cash shop cosmetics are all or nothing.
Noaani wrote: » Not really. No. There will still be looks that are only able to be obtained in game - and those specific looks will be the ones with flexibility to make it exactly how you want it. Cash shop cosmetics are all or nothing. If you want to create a specific look, or if you want to show off to people that you spent time and effort in game on your look, you can do that. Cash shop cosmetics are just for people that want to look decent, but aren't all that concerned with anything else. They are the lazy way out.
