Quitting?

What would make you loose interest completely in the game?

Also if you say P2W stuff. Post the second reason.

Much love and a happy new year 😘

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Ironhope

Atama wrote: »

So, I was testing, I was in the starting area with a newbie character. I had gathered some wood and was trying to turn it into an NPC in town for a quest. A guy came up to me who was relatively high level (I was I think 5, he was in his 20s) and starts attacking me. I can't even get a shot off before I'm dead.

Okay so I didn't get what you meat because you didn't make it very clear.

Yeah there are legitimate types of ganking and then there is just a toxic kind, such as a player 4 times your level harrasing you again and again.

Since the game is designed to have the legitimate type and indeed the legitimate type is the most common one, I adressed it and not the toxic exception.

Either way, we don't disagree, the corruption system should exist and should be efficient, but not to the point it hinders the game's PvP orientated nature.

We wouldn't want to see what happened to New World happen to AOC wouldn't we?

Ironhope

Noaani wrote: »

Now you know this, feel free to ponder the implications of that in regards to a hypothetical Ashes without the corruption system.

I never suggested an AOC without the corruption system so there's that.

It's just that at the end of the day AOC is a niche PvP game and it should stay like that.

Ganking will be and it should be part of the game.

Atama seems to have been refering to the toxic type (for example, lvl 20s farming lvl 5s, which is obviously unreasonable and an abuse), which is generally a very small % of all pvp.

Atama

Ironhope wrote: »

Since the game is designed to have the legitimate type and indeed the legitimate type is the most common one, I adressed it and not the toxic exception.

Either way, we don't disagree, the corruption system should exist and should be efficient, but not to the point it hinders the game's PvP orientated nature.

We wouldn't want to see what happened to New World happen to AOC wouldn't we?

What happened to New World won’t happen here. It’s too essential to this game, they can’t afford to neuter PvP.

My point was that if corruption doesn’t work then toxic play will run rampant, and that would cause me to quit.

Not only am I okay with regular PvP, I look forward to it.

Hexenkartothek

Sunboy wrote: »

What would make you loose interest completely in the game?

Also if you say P2W stuff. Post the second reason.

Much love and a happy new year 😘

MTX of any kind.

Noaani

Hexenkartothek wrote: »

Sunboy wrote: »

What would make you loose interest completely in the game?

Also if you say P2W stuff. Post the second reason.

Much love and a happy new year 😘

MTX of any kind.

The game is built on cosmetic MTX.

This is a fact Intrepid could not change now, even if they wanted to. - which they don't.

ThornyDevil

Class identity for sure.

I just created a post on this topic.
I would hate that the classes just feel generic and lack the fantasy of their given name.

I want the Shaman to feel like one, same for the Falconer or the Oracle and each other classes.
I think the way to achieve it and avoid the Archeage mistakes, is to grant 2-3 unique skills upon combining the archetypes. For example, when combining Ranger+Summoner=Falconer, so you get the unique skill to summon a falcon familiar.

Atama

ThornyDevil wrote: »

I think the way to achieve it and avoid the Archeage mistakes, is to grant 2-3 unique skills upon combining the archetypes. For example, when combining Ranger+Summoner=Falconer, so you get the unique skill to summon a falcon familiar.

Well we know they won’t be doing that. You don’t get skills from your class, just archetype. Instead you’ll get augments.

But what if a Falconer augment changed an existing skill to summon a falcon, and have the skill effect come from it rather than the Ranger? Would that work? And it wouldn’t be just cosmetic; you could position/send the falcon to enemies, maybe for a melee range skill.

Sylvanar

Noaani wrote: »

Curious. What is your take on someone getting a second account for a second freehold?

For players with multiple accounts so that they can have multiple freeholds, the issue comes with Node siege and subsequent looting.

Case 1: Lets say both the freeholds are under same Node. This will result in less defenders during a siege and more risk if the battle is lost.

Case 2: Lets say both the freeholds are under different Node. How will a player defend two places at once if a situation arises or will have to do multiple caravan quests which will increase his overall risk.

So as the player would be playing double the amount and putting in more effort into the game, I don't see an issue with this as it is same as playing double on 1 character and achieving more with some extra benefits. People playing less cant blame others for their lack of commitment or drive.

Noaani wrote: »

To me, this is the only real in-game incentive for a second account. Most other incentives are not in-game (challenge of multi-boxing and spying on rival guilds come to mind immediately).

As far as spying goes, it is quite independent of owning multiple accounts. Spies can simply be hired or information traded for some goods or other services.

Will I do it? No, I wont have enough time for anything other than my main char.
Do I mind if others do it? No. Its their prerogative.

Noaani

Sylvanar wrote: »

As far as spying goes, it is quite independent of owning multiple accounts. Spies can simply be hired or information traded for some goods or other services.

Sure, you can outsource your spying, but I wouldn't do that.

A trade may work, but if I trade information on a rival guild, I would make the assumption that the guild in question knows I have that information (and they probably had a hand in exactly what that information is).

If I am hiring someone to spy, I have no way at all of knowing if they are working for me, or if they are a double agent and just taking my money. If I actually want to spy on a specific rival guild, I am putting someone in there that I trust.

Likewise, I would assume any rival wanting to spy on me would do the same.

I have two specific methods of telling if a character is on the same account as a member of a specific guild, if I suspect that guild may want to spy on my guild. As such, the only way a rival guild could spy on me with any effectiveness is if they have someone in the guild that the leadership trusts, that has a second account.

Sylvanar wrote: »

For players with multiple accounts so that they can have multiple freeholds, the issue comes with Node siege and subsequent looting.

Case 1: Lets say both the freeholds are under same Node. This will result in less defenders during a siege and more risk if the battle is lost.

Case 2: Lets say both the freeholds are under different Node. How will a player defend two places at once if a situation arises or will have to do multiple caravan quests which will increase his overall risk.

I don't see these as issues, simply because not all players are going to be present for a siege.

When talking about a metropolis level node, there isn't even scope in the game for every citizen of the node to be present.

Ironhope

ThornyDevil wrote: »

Class identity for sure.

I just created a post on this topic.
I would hate that the classes just feel generic and lack the fantasy of their given name.

I want the Shaman to feel like one, same for the Falconer or the Oracle and each other classes.
I think the way to achieve it and avoid the Archeage mistakes, is to grant 2-3 unique skills upon combining the archetypes. For example, when combining Ranger+Summoner=Falconer, so you get the unique skill to summon a falcon familiar.

Welcome to the club Thorny.

Sadly, Intrepid messed up and is using the word ''class'' where it just isn't justified.

I just hope ''classes'' will be at least as diverse as wow specs.

Dolyem

Besides p2w. Real world politics and practices defining/influencing the game.

Ramirez

Lack of pvp, or the only to way get endgame gear is doing pve, going tab target combat, after playing games like gw2, New world , Bdo is really can´t play a tab target mmorpg again...

Nerror

Dolyem wrote: »

Besides p2w. Real world politics and practices defining/influencing the game.

What? All games, including Ashes, are influenced and defined by real world politics and practices. Anything made by humans is.

Dolyem

Nerror wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Besides p2w. Real world politics and practices defining/influencing the game.

What? All games, including Ashes, are influenced and defined by real world politics and practices. Anything made by humans is.

Theres a difference between using designs of governing systems from real world and pushing a specific political agenda from the real world. The latter will be a cause to quit.

Nerror

Dolyem wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Besides p2w. Real world politics and practices defining/influencing the game.

What? All games, including Ashes, are influenced and defined by real world politics and practices. Anything made by humans is.

Theres a difference between using designs of governing systems from real world and pushing a specific political agenda from the real world. The latter will be a cause to quit.

You mean political agendas you don't agree with? For example, I am pretty sure the game will allow same-sex marriage ingame. For some people that is a political agenda they strongly disagree with. The game might not even be able to launch in Russia or other countries where same-sex marriage is illegal without Intrepid changing that to only marriage between man and woman for those regions. Disallowing same-sex marriage is political agenda I certainly don't agree with.

Dolyem

Nerror wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Besides p2w. Real world politics and practices defining/influencing the game.

What? All games, including Ashes, are influenced and defined by real world politics and practices. Anything made by humans is.

Theres a difference between using designs of governing systems from real world and pushing a specific political agenda from the real world. The latter will be a cause to quit.

You mean political agendas you don't agree with? For example, I am pretty sure the game will allow same-sex marriage ingame. For some people that is a political agenda they strongly disagree with. The game might not even be able to launch in Russia or other countries where same-sex marriage is illegal without Intrepid changing that to only marriage between man and woman for those regions. Disallowing same-sex marriage is political agenda I certainly don't agree with.

All political agendas honestly. I am not biased in this instance. I don't want real world, I want a completely made up world. But if you're fishing to see what agenda I am in line with I can at least tell you that I have no issue with same-sex marriage.

Nerror

Dolyem wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Nerror wrote: »

Dolyem wrote: »

Besides p2w. Real world politics and practices defining/influencing the game.

What? All games, including Ashes, are influenced and defined by real world politics and practices. Anything made by humans is.

Theres a difference between using designs of governing systems from real world and pushing a specific political agenda from the real world. The latter will be a cause to quit.

You mean political agendas you don't agree with? For example, I am pretty sure the game will allow same-sex marriage ingame. For some people that is a political agenda they strongly disagree with. The game might not even be able to launch in Russia or other countries where same-sex marriage is illegal without Intrepid changing that to only marriage between man and woman for those regions. Disallowing same-sex marriage is political agenda I certainly don't agree with.

All political agendas honestly. I am not biased in this instance. I don't want real world, I want a completely made up world. But if you're fishing to see what agenda I am in line with I can at least tell you that I have no issue with same-sex marriage.

No fishing, just trying to understand what you mean

The term "Political agenda" hits wide. If there is a law about something, there is a political agenda about it.

I certainly don't want real life partisan politics in the game either, with people shouting specific political slogans from whatever country they are from. Same goes for real life religions. Keep that out of the game and let's stick to the ingame religions and politics.

Atama

Ramirez wrote: »

Lack of pvp, or the only to way get endgame gear is doing pve

I believe endgame gear will be crafted, whether you make it yourself or pay someone. You probably won’t be able to earn it directly via PvP (like an arena ranking reward) but you might earn plunder through PvP you can use to buy it. (Or loot resources off victims to make it - I guess PvP is a gathering profession in that sense.)

Hopefully that sounds good to you.

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