Camouflage

Two posts got me thinking. Tyr’s post about ‘Road’ clothes, and a sub conversation on Sunboy’s post on quitting - what I’ll call ‘swarm ganking.’

In MO2 (and similar full-loot games), hiding is a perfectly reasonable strategy to protect the last few hours work gathering in the wilderness. Even seeing one player out in the world can trigger an immediate fight or flight response. Seeing a group of players just means hide. If you’re in the open, you just plan on dying.

So here’s the idea: allow players the ability to craft biome-specific camouflage costume that could help visually blend (e.g. not make invisible) a character into the background. Maybe it could also hide the character name tag (BIG benefit).

I’d add a few constraints. I think you could only craft camouflage for biomes you’ve spent time in. This may be an ability only rangers could have. These costumes could be BOE or BOP depending on balance. Since it’s a visual advantage not a mechanical advantage you could still take action while wearing the costume, but the nature of movement would make you easier to see.

Obviously, these costumes could also be used aggressively for ambushing others, but I don’t see that as a real OP issue. It’s not going to give a single player an overwhelming advantage in combat once they have been targeted.

I haven’t thought it all through - so curious what you folks think.

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Olli1992

It would also make sense that players staying in a snow area or desert area longest would.kill most creatures with natural camo for these areas. For lets say crafting. Ending UP with the full set. Making them have better camo since they got most xp there.

Caww

I think of this along the lines of allowing "Green" players to advance their crafting and PVE activities without too much pain until they are ready to accept PVP conflict. Having other methods for noobs and pacifists to go about their game play is important (to me anyway). The bounty method constraint doesn't sound all too compelling if we want a lot of different play-style people to join the servers and let the game really grow and establish a long term presence.

tautau

Good idea, Caww, though players who pick on noobs will likely kill the noob quickly, acquiring lots of corruption for little gain, and soon drop their gear to the rest of us.

There was an old L2 joke about red players having the best drops in the game.

Dolyem

tautau wrote: »

Good idea, Caww, though players who pick on noobs will likely kill the noob quickly, acquiring lots of corruption for little gain, and soon drop their gear to the rest of us.

There was an old L2 joke about red players having the best drops in the game.

Only the impatient hunters act as such. I don't kill excessively, but I do kill. Luckily for the general population, I am figuring out a way to try to make a sort of coalition to kill bots excessively while also making it known to the server so they dont kill the players corrupted by doing the server a favor. At least in the beginning.

Dygz

It would be really cool to have matching camo for your nameplate instead of just hiding.
Could be part of the Stealth progression.
Also, could possibly be a subset of Thieves' Guild progression.

CROW3

Dolyem wrote: »

I am figuring out a way to try to make a sort of coalition to kill bots excessively while also making it known to the server so they dont kill the players corrupted by doing the server a favor. At least in the beginning.

Sign me up.

Happymeal2415

Dygz wrote: »

It would be really cool to have matching camo for your nameplate instead of just hiding.
Could be part of the Stealth progression.
Also, could possibly be a subset of Thieves' Guild progression.

I like the camo nameplate idea

akabear

I would like to see prone capability and when doing so one`s name tag hidden so that there can be ambushes & hiding.. would also need higher grasses/scrub

CROW3

Only problem with going prone is that there really aren’t any medieval weapons that are functional from that position. Also, laying down with a sword buckled to your belt is a serious pain in the ass.

Kneeling? No problem.

But try to lay down on your stomach and your weapon now has a mind of its own.

Boanergese

I think from a role play perspective that setting up a camouflage area might be interesting. Similar to a hunting blind like hunters use in the trees. The idea being that you could build the spot before you began to mine or gather lumber next to your gather site. You would have to have the materials for the camouflage kit, the kits would expire after a set of time, while hidden in it you would be hidden, but once you left it you would be exposed.

This way is a gatherer saw an unfriendly group of players they could try to hide before they were attacked, but the person would have to leave at some point to return to town with the gathered goods. Additionally, there could be areas where camouflage is not appropriate because the area is basically an open grassland. You might also require the player to have different sets of camouflage depending on the biome. The person may choose to hide and fight another day, but the resources he was harvesting are lost to the next group who can finish gathering them. It would be different than being a rogue or a ghillie suit a sniper would wear. It would also create an industry for crafters to craft the kits.

CROW3

Cool idea. I imagine it would have a cast time and a cool down for balance, but especially given the rarity of some material this could be helpful.

Happymeal2415

CROW3 wrote: »

Only problem with going prone is that there really aren’t any medieval weapons that are functional from that position. Also, laying down with a sword buckled to your belt is a serious pain in the ass.

Kneeling? No problem.

But try to lay down on your stomach and your weapon now has a mind of its own.

Crossbow comes to mind but I dunno if that's planned for ashes

Caeryl

Given how much they’re pushing for “spying” and “intrigue”, it’s baffling that they’re just going to permanently and publicly display nameplates with zero options to conceal them as if that makes any sense at all.

CROW3

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Crossbow comes to mind but I dunno if that's planned for ashes

It’s more of a pain in the ass than you would think - between the size, the nature of your shoulder articulation while prone, and that it’s a ballistic weapon (thus requiring some elevation/pitch to hit a target at range).

Optics2134

100% agree some way to hide if you are not a rogue needs to be put in play... for all types of applications

daveywavey

Optics2134 wrote: »

100% agree some way to hide if you are not a rogue needs to be put in play... for all types of applications

You know there aren't going to be any ladies bathrooms, right...?

maouw

daveywavey wrote: »

Optics2134 wrote: »

100% agree some way to hide if you are not a rogue needs to be put in play... for all types of applications

You know there aren't going to be any ladies bathrooms, right...?

WHY DAVEY?
I need imagination bleach.

daveywavey

maouw wrote: »

daveywavey wrote: »

Optics2134 wrote: »

100% agree some way to hide if you are not a rogue needs to be put in play... for all types of applications

You know there aren't going to be any ladies bathrooms, right...?

WHY DAVEY?
I need imagination bleach.

Don't worry, you can still come to my "special tavern": The House Of Delights

We cater to your every need!

Jhoren

I like the idea of a camouflage set per biome.

My suggestion would be to remove the nameplate if crouched and you haven't moved for a few seconds. As soon as you stand up it comes back.

If there is a specific and set distance at which nameplates appear over the heads of players, the camo set could reduce that distance a little too. However, if the distance is based on graphics settings that won't work.

Atama

CROW3 wrote: »

Only problem with going prone is that there really aren’t any medieval weapons that are functional from that position. Also, laying down with a sword buckled to your belt is a serious pain in the ass.

A dagger would be okay. Cut a hamstring, then as they fall to the ground jump up and finish them off.

In this game a weapon like a wand would probably work too.

Happymeal2415 wrote: »

Crossbow comes to mind but I dunno if that's planned for ashes

Crossbows are in the game but you can’t load one from the ground.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Crossbows

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