The potion launcher - should that technology exist?

In AoC apocalypse, there was a weapon called the potion launcher. Personally I dislike modern/semi modern weapons in MMO (like guns etc)

The potion granade launcher, is blurring the lines, but I feel that it does not fit into the game

What are your thoughts on potion granade launchers?

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JustVine

I knew some nerd would take the bait. Cool stuff no sarc.

Vaknar

"If there is anything that this horrible tragedy can teach us, it's that a male model's life is a precious, precious commodity. Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight potion launcher accident."

BobzUrUncle

We would have lost the potion laucher technology when we escaped from Verra. Apocalypse was the last stand against the corruption.
Presumably, we would have lost a lot of the technology we used to have when those few who escaped arrived in Sanctus and found it a magic-barren world.

Caww

If they changed the graphics to a crossbow-like gadget or a sling-shot thing then it could be consistent and for sieges they could go with the weighted-rock throwing apparatus (trebuchet?) that's always throwing fireballs and such, instead it could be a caldron filled with potion goo.

caedwyn

YES i agree with you
i HATE seeing modern stuff in FANTASY magical world
tell me how many people in hogwarts used bike or cars? none they didnt need to.
in a world where you have magic and magical enchanted items, you never DEVELOP THE NEED to have mechanical engineering to create engine that runs on steam or oil and needs maintenance and is messy...

i DETEST potion launcher . crossbow. guns . cars. steampunk . pumps. engines
in games.

need to have water delivered to a village ? get a very expensive and big (MUST NOT BE EASY TO OBTAIN) water crystal or enchanted gem that pours water from another dimension (it could be a water world)
the enchantment can fade in time and add demand...

MY POINT : any kind of engineering is unnecessary/unwanted in magical fantasy world where magic exists at large. and i hate potion launcher/grenade launcher/steam things... / mechanical things

tautau

So, are you also opposed to bows and arrows, since they are mechanical devices?

Are you opposed to blacksmithing, since that is engineering? Thus, are you opposed to metal armor and weapons?

Songcaller

caedwyn wrote: »

enchanted gem that pours water from another dimension

The Elixir of Death?

SirChancelot

What if the potion launcher looked less visually like a grenade launcher?
And more like a slingshot that yeets explosive flasks or whatever?

It would just be fireballs for the magically challenged, and give a constant demand for alchemists to make ammo for

clone63

No Launcher. Stupid.

Atama

SirChancelot wrote: »

What if the potion launcher looked less visually like a grenade launcher?
And more like a slingshot that yeets explosive flasks or whatever?

It would just be fireballs for the magically challenged, and give a constant demand for alchemists to make ammo for

If indeed they are going to be mounted on ships only, I think they should look like small scale siege weapons. Launch big potion-filled glass orbs via trebuchet or onager, or maybe have a ballista with the head of the spear replaced with a potion-filled ampoule. In all cases, as the projectile hits the enemy ship, the glass shatters causing the potion to splash everywhere and do whatever the potion was made to do. (Melt with acid, freeze, burst into flames, shroud everything with smoke, stun people, emit a cloud of poison, just use your imagination.)

tautau

If we have bows and arrows, then the technology to launch a clay pot filled with ground black pepper or some other irritant is very close. Fill the pot with oil and light a cloth wick and you have a fire potion.

Gizban

Marzzo wrote: »

In AoC apocalypse, there was a weapon called the potion launcher. Personally I dislike modern/semi modern weapons in MMO (like guns etc)

The potion granade launcher, is blurring the lines, but I feel that it does not fit into the game

What are your thoughts on potion granade launchers?

I was a pirate once, but then I took a potion launcher to the knee.

CROW3

Ok. That made me laugh. Do you need a sweet roll?

Boanergese

What if it launched an angry potion?

Taiphee

caedwyn wrote: »

YES i agree with you
i HATE seeing modern stuff in FANTASY magical world
tell me how many people in hogwarts used bike or cars? none they didnt need to.
in a world where you have magic and magical enchanted items, you never DEVELOP THE NEED to have mechanical engineering to create engine that runs on steam or oil and needs maintenance and is messy...

i DETEST potion launcher . crossbow. guns . cars. steampunk . pumps. engines
in games.

need to have water delivered to a village ? get a very expensive and big (MUST NOT BE EASY TO OBTAIN) water crystal or enchanted gem that pours water from another dimension (it could be a water world)
the enchantment can fade in time and add demand...

MY POINT : any kind of engineering is unnecessary/unwanted in magical fantasy world where magic exists at large. and i hate potion launcher/grenade launcher/steam things... / mechanical things

Bro I think there was a flying car in the Harry Potter series,

Engineering is a constant thing with anything human-like which includes the fantasy races like dwarves and elfs and so on... I Don't see anything off with the potion launchers, both the ship and the hand held version. It's fits well.

Geophysical Ninja

tautau wrote: »

Greek fire isn't in the game, thus far. But you can Google it. I was using as my mental reference pre-gunpowder naval tactics. For example, Rome vs Carthage or Greece vs Asia Minor.

Greek fire is just as out of place as gunpowder in the European medieval fantasy genre.

Atama

Geophysical Ninja wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

Greek fire isn't in the game, thus far. But you can Google it. I was using as my mental reference pre-gunpowder naval tactics. For example, Rome vs Carthage or Greece vs Asia Minor.

Greek fire is just as out of place as gunpowder in the European medieval fantasy genre.

Verra isn't Europe. It's a bit far from Europe.

This isn't nitpicking. The world is inspired by multiple cultures; European, Polynesian, Asian, Middle-Eastern. Why shouldn't the technology?

And just FYI, Greek fire was in use in medieval times in parts of what is modern-day Europe. Proper Greek fire was first recorded in 672 CE, toward the beginning of the medieval period as it was in Europe (which is considered to have been from the 5th century up until the late 15th century). It was used primarily by the Byzantine Empire (which at the time included parts of Greece and Italy) in its war against the neighboring Arab people. In the 13th century, it was recorded as used by the Saracens against Crusaders.

So, while not used in most of Europe, it did exist there throughout the medieval period, and also used against Europeans when they invaded.

Also remember, potion launchers bear some similarities to Greek fire, but they aren't Greek fire. Rather than a chemical composition, they deliver magical potions.

Meanwhile black powder was not developed until a few centuries after Greek fire, and contained entirely to China. It didn't reach the Middle East until the late 13th century, which was around the time that Europeans learned about it. The following century, Europeans began manufacturing it, and also started developing cannons around that time, though the first reports of them actually being used in war didn't occur until the early 15th century.

So yes, Greek fire itself is a bit out of place if you are considering its historicity for a simulation of medieval Europe (which we aren't), but not as much out of time as gunpowder which wasn't truly developed as a proper weapon of war until the early Renaissance.

Geophysical Ninja

Atama wrote: »

And just FYI, Greek fire was in use in medieval times...

So was gunpowder. The medieval period was a long span of time.

You really ran with that comment. I have nothing more to add.

Noaani

Geophysical Ninja wrote: »

tautau wrote: »

Greek fire isn't in the game, thus far. But you can Google it. I was using as my mental reference pre-gunpowder naval tactics. For example, Rome vs Carthage or Greece vs Asia Minor.

Greek fire is just as out of place as gunpowder in the European medieval fantasy genre.

This is objectively incorrect.

Just to set some baselines, the period in question is from the 5th to the 15th centuries.

Greek fire was used in Europe starting from the 7th century. Gunpowder was not used (effectively) in Europe until the 13th century.

So there is a period of 500 years in Europe where Greek fire was a thing and gunpowder wasn't.

Any game set in Europe in that 500 year period would have Greek fire being a perfect fit, yet gunpowder would not.

As an aside, which game is it that we are talking about that is set in Europe in this time period? Kingdom Come perhaps? A new Total War game?

Atama

Geophysical Ninja wrote: »

Atama wrote: »

And just FYI, Greek fire was in use in medieval times...

So was gunpowder. The medieval period was a long span of time.

Not in war. You need to bone up on history before lecturing people about history.

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