I wasn't interested in animal husbandry until I realised...

Imagine a modern world with no cars, trucks or vans, where motorbikes are the only sensible alternative to walking. Translate this to Ashes.
Fast mounts become a necessity to either evade PvP or to pursue a target. Even a tiny Land speed or water speed advantage can have a huge impact.

Suddenly I'm at least partially interested in Animal Husbandry!

How do you see land/water mounts (type 1) impacting the game?
How much diversity can be put into mounts?
I.e. can we have snails leaving a trail that causes a slow effect? Other abilities?

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Merek

Azherae wrote: »

I don't think a mount should have a lifespan, per se, but maybe some sort of meter or recharge on how they use their skills or full speed.

And then as they get older, that meter takes longer and longer to recharge. That way, if you have an 'emotional attachment' to a mount, you can still ride it every so often effectively, as it gets older, but eventually you still need a new mount if you want to do long travel or combat stuff.

Sure, lots of people will just put a mount out to pasture once they reach a point where the meter doesn't recharge fast enough to be 'useful', but at least it would give you the choice, while still giving a reason to get new mounts.

What about people who get emotionally attached to gear, what then? It shouldn't degrade? This argument I'm putting forth is a bit snarky, but where does the emotional attachment allowance begin and end?

If I can lose my gear, home and progression, why can't I lose my mount due to life-span? Is it so the store mounts can't be called Pay-to-Win? Because if that's the only reason, it's a horrible one.

Atama

Merek wrote: »

Azherae wrote: »

I don't think a mount should have a lifespan, per se, but maybe some sort of meter or recharge on how they use their skills or full speed.

And then as they get older, that meter takes longer and longer to recharge. That way, if you have an 'emotional attachment' to a mount, you can still ride it every so often effectively, as it gets older, but eventually you still need a new mount if you want to do long travel or combat stuff.

Sure, lots of people will just put a mount out to pasture once they reach a point where the meter doesn't recharge fast enough to be 'useful', but at least it would give you the choice, while still giving a reason to get new mounts.

What about people who get emotionally attached to gear, what then? It shouldn't degrade? This argument I'm putting forth is a bit snarky, but where does the emotional attachment allowance begin and end?

If I can lose my gear, home and progression, why can't I lose my mount due to life-span? Is it so the store mounts can't be called Pay-to-Win? Because if that's the only reason, it's a horrible one.

You can't. Items only degrade until they are temporarily unable to be used, at which time the item needs to be repaired before it can be equipped again. Repairing an item requires expending some measure of the same kind of materials used to make it in the first place, so you may have to weigh whether it makes more sense to fix it or replace it. That's especially true if the replacement is somehow better than the broken item.

The only way a person will permanently lose gear is if they are heavily corrupted and drop it in combat.

In a similar fashion, mounts can be harmed until they are "killed", at which time you have to wait until it can be revived. Though that doesn't cost anything but time usually. Potions can be used to speed that up, and some mounts that are killed off too quickly within a certain time frame might require additional materials to be revived.

Also, you can't lose your home. It can be destroyed and looted (where you lose resources) but it is just packed up until you deploy it again elsewhere.

The idea of this game isn't permadeath, and full item loss. It's that item degradation and death force you to expend resources. You also don't ever lose character progression, you just incur debt which will slow down further progression. You're not going to die and go back a level or anything, but it will take longer to reach the next level due to the XP debt.

Geronimo

Merek wrote: »

The point where this system loses me is the fact that no mount, other than the one acquired by becoming a "mayor", has a lifespan. Because of that, we're all going to end up having a stable or two full of mounts, that we won't use even half of. All mounts should have a lifespan.

I agree that this is a problem. But not just from the standpoint of the zoo that all player's will require but also because Animal Husbandry AKA: Breeder and also the Taming profession will be way less relevant than some other crafting profession that deals with items that do degrade.

Basically we need a mount sink, so as not to deviate from this thread I am going to post separately about it.

Atama

As posted in your other thread, Steven confirmed some time back that there are already mount sinks. Mounts can be killed and getting them back quickly or without debuffs can require material expenditures.

Nerror

It would be a way to keep animal husbandry with long-term significance if people have to get replacement parts for their mounts. New heart, spleen, or hind leg for example. Find a matching donor mount and Frankenstein that shit up!

Songcaller

Nerror wrote: »

Find a matching donor mount and Frankenstein that shit up!

Patchwork stitches.

Atama

Nerror wrote: »

It would be a way to keep animal husbandry with long-term significance if people have to get replacement parts for their mounts. New heart, spleen, or hind leg for example. Find a matching donor mount and Frankenstein that shit up!

I had to go to the Toshi Station node for a new power converter for my horse.

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