Server transfer yes/no, payed/free, restrictions?

Recently got a new job, I'm going to be working 3pm-11pm NA Est or something like that so I'm going to be on a odd schedule compared to my time zone. If the game released right now I would have to find a server that fit my playable time zone or miss out on a large portion of the game. So I'm hoping I will be able to find a good English server that fits my needs. Now its possible my shift could be changed at any point, I'd prefer first shift "normal hours". Do you think we will be able to transfer servers at any point. Should we have to restart. Should it be a Payed service/Free if in the game at all. This could have bad consequences on server population and economies. IMO entire guilds shouldn't be allowed to switch servers whenever they want. It should be a charged service and on a player to player bases. Meaning you would request a server transfer, explain your reasons and AoC would approve or deny you. Certain servers would be restricted like recently fresh ones. Certain items wouldn't be transferable like the one of a kind legendary sword couldn't be brought to a diff server. If you owned a house at a node you would have to sell it since it might not even exist on a diff server. Crafting mats shouldn't be transferable, so ethior make gear or put the mats back into your current server before you transfer. This might be to much effort on the developers and they might just do a hard no. I've been considering/wanting to invest in the game for cosmetics and to support it. But not sure if I should. Do you think there will be a server that fits my needs? Also what are your thoughts on "Server transfer yes/no, payed/free, restrictions"?

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Anarchy1

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

You could just say they transfer with nothing.

This will piss off more people than just not offering transfers would. It would be a bad decision to offer transfers with this as a condition.

I mean if you get nothing but kept your levels it would still save quite a bit of time if you really wanted a new server for w.e reason. Think its 45 days at 4-6 hours a day to hit 50 which was a vague estimate. Which would be 180-270hrs. could be faster or longer.

Dygz

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hyperbole
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole
"language that describes something as better or worse than it really is"

We been done, son.

Gizban

I say yes... but think isekai.

Only the character. No items or money whatsoever.

And of course new shards would be off-limits for a few months.

Noaani

Anarchy23 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

You could just say they transfer with nothing.

This will piss off more people than just not offering transfers would. It would be a bad decision to offer transfers with this as a condition.

I mean if you get nothing but kept your levels it would still save quite a bit of time if you really wanted a new server for w.e reason. Think its 45 days at 4-6 hours a day to hit 50 which was a vague estimate. Which would be 180-270hrs. could be faster or longer.

Sure, some people may look at it like that, but most will just compare it to server transfers in other games (as well they should), and not be happy with it.

Anarchy1

Dygz wrote: »

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hyperbole
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole
"language that describes something as better or worse than it really is"

We been done, son.

ok slightly different but not really. what did I exaggerate to make seem worse. Your just lazy and link a definition and call it done.

Anarchy1

Noaani wrote: »

Anarchy23 wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

You could just say they transfer with nothing.

This will piss off more people than just not offering transfers would. It would be a bad decision to offer transfers with this as a condition.

I mean if you get nothing but kept your levels it would still save quite a bit of time if you really wanted a new server for w.e reason. Think its 45 days at 4-6 hours a day to hit 50 which was a vague estimate. Which would be 180-270hrs. could be faster or longer.

Sure, some people may look at it like that, but most will just compare it to server transfers in other games (as well they should), and not be happy with it.

yea true. it would be lacking compared to other games.

TheCouchNerd

I'd vote no for server transfers as I just don't see how they could handle the different progression, both story wise and content wise. Only way I'd think it could work is if they stripped the character of all gear, achievements and resources, which kind of makes it pointless as you could just reroll then.

The transfer would just end up being a paid level boost, which kind of makes it unfair to new players starting out there as you'd be max level.

No I'd say make server choice a permanent choice that you make and if you want to play on a different server just re-roll there.

Server mergers are a different thing though but I'll leave that up to Intrepid Studios to figure out if it's needed.

Sunboy

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Ironhope

Server transfers would also contribute a lot to the death of certain servers, with individuals and large groups deciding to relocate to apparently greener pastures, leading to the overpopulation of some and the death of many others.

Percimes

Ironhope wrote: »

Server transfers would also contribute a lot to the death of certain servers, with individuals and large groups deciding to relocate to apparently greener pastures, leading to the overpopulation of some and the death of many others.

And if they simply all reroll on another server? As devastating for the server they left. Almost as disruptive to the server they moved to, almost like a mini-server launch, except with people already organized.

On the other hand, a dying server could gain more by being open to a one way transfer or merger.

Anarchy1

TheCouchNerd wrote: »

I'd vote no for server transfers as I just don't see how they could handle the different progression, both story wise and content wise. Only way I'd think it could work is if they stripped the character of all gear, achievements and resources, which kind of makes it pointless as you could just reroll then.

The transfer would just end up being a paid level boost, which kind of makes it unfair to new players starting out there as you'd be max level.

No I'd say make server choice a permanent choice that you make and if you want to play on a different server just re-roll there.

Server mergers are a different thing though but I'll leave that up to Intrepid Studios to figure out if it's needed.

I do see how it could be seen as a paid level boost. That's actually pretty accurate. The main difference I see would be you actually earned your levels though. You spent 200 hours learning the game, that specific character, skills, rotations. I honestly don't see it being any more unfair then the position new players are already in starting out on a 2 year old server but I guess that's more of my opinion.. So I also see a difference between a level boost and a transfer with everything stripped away.

Noaani

Percimes wrote: »

On the other hand, a dying server could gain more by being open to a one way transfer or merger.

While this may be true, it isn't really relevant to the topic of paid server transfers. It is a matter of what Intrepid will do with low population servers - and they have already said mergers are potentially on the table for this.

Ironhope

Percimes wrote: »

And if they simply all reroll on another server?

Reroll as in start from scratch from lvl 1 chars with nothing?

That's going to still happen but it will be far less likely as it's going to be a more difficult ''road'' than simply transfering over your characters.

So it's not going to completely remove the problem, it will just severely diminuish it which I think is great.

Percimes wrote: »

On the other hand, a dying server could gain more by being open to a one way transfer

Might still be a serious problem if a guy with super-gear transfers to the small-pop server where not even 15% of that gear was unlocked yet and wipes the floor withe veryone, ruining everybody's fun (except his own).

Or if the guy just comes with his inventories full of valuables.

Or if he levels his professions to max on a medium pop server where its very cheap and then transfers to the low pop one and just wipes the floor with everyone else on the trade market, ruining everybody's fun (except his own).

I still feel like a clean, straight ''no transfers'' is the solution.

Paired with leveling being well designed so it's a part of the gameplay you like going through, not something that feels like a chore.

SirChancelot

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

You could just say they transfer with nothing.

This will piss off more people than just not offering transfers would. It would be a bad decision to offer transfers with this as a condition.

I wouldn't be mad
And it would be better than nothing
If people don't like that, then make a new character?

Percimes

Ironhope wrote: »

That's going to still happen but it will be far less likely as it's going to be a more difficult ''road'' than simply transfering over your characters.

So it's not going to completely remove the problem, it will just severely diminuish it which I think is great.

I don't know. A guild (100+ members) migrating with a plan could create a lot more trouble be leveling fast and growing organically on a new server than coming fully leveled but with no house available to purchase, no node high enough for them to make use of, no content. They would have to bargain with and deal with everyone on the new server to integrate themselves. Their inventory supplies wouldn't last forever, they would be spent, and used, and sold, thus entering the server economy in one way or another.

I've never said a transfer would be a peaceful migration with a happy feast and hugs, only that it wouldn't be as terrible and catastrophic and most against it in this thread make it out to be.

People imagine that the rich and powerful will leave the server that made that possible in the first place for one poor and still in primitive development. That they will have a bursting inventory of rare and exquisite materials that they will sell for a high profit to people still at the stage of minting copper coins, when these materials are the riches themselves. More likely, the people transferring will be the ones seeking greener pastures. They will be the ones coming from a slow developing server wanting nothing more than an easier access to the goods you can provide.

You fear a powerful character will come and slaughter everyone with ease? So what? There are probably characters already on the server doing the same thing. They are the only ones screwed in that transfer, for anyone else it's the same old same. If you fear a new comer will ruin your fun, chances are you imagine yourself in the position of top dog with little competition from others. Most pro PvP players view themselves as the hunters, rarely as the preys. PvE focused ones have been the preys so many time they have a hard time (or little interest in the first place) to see themselves as otherwise.

What you people fear are players trolling and griefing others. You fear that it will be a significant purpose for wanting a server transfer. If transfers are allowed, any rules put it place should be to diminish these possibilities.

The lore reason is laughable too. Considering the main story of Ashes of Creation is people coming back from another world through portals. If the Tulnar welcomed you, you can do the same for the late comers who arrived from Sanctus having completed the "special training" you've skipped for an early access.

If transfers could be done freely on a daily/weekly basis we could see a group/guild of world hoppers spewing chaos and destruction ! In the grand creativity of people in general, they would probably call themselves "The Wild Hunt".

At least we'll be spared that

Dygz

If transfers arrive on the new server bringing with them exactly what they bring when they arrive from Sanctus, that's perfect. Sure.

Ironhope

Percimes wrote: »

More likely, the people transferring will be the ones seeking greener pastures. They will be the ones coming from a slow developing server wanting nothing more than an easier access to the goods you can provide.

You would have all sorts of scenarios.
All sorts.

You would absolutely have super highly geared individuals and groups moving to underdeveloped servers to grief them.

How often would we see this?
Beats me.

But you can be sure you would see it.

Percimes wrote: »

You fear a powerful character will come and slaughter everyone with ease? So what?

So it's unfair and thus very unfun.

BS like this makes large numbers of ppl quit.

Percimes wrote: »

There are probably characters already on the server doing the same thing.

Then they're doing it fairly.

They clawed their way naturally to the top of the food chain, inside the food chain.

That wouldn't be the case with someone coming from a highly developed server with top tier gear that isn't available on the server he trasnfered on.

That would be something artificial, something very unfair.

Percimes wrote: »

chances are you imagine yourself

Please don't attempt to read my mind, it's rude and you've failed at it.

Percimes wrote: »

The lore reason is laughable too. Considering the main story of Ashes of Creation is people coming back from another world through portals.

People come through portals in the world of Verra where they evolve.

They don't come already evolved.

Percimes

I meant it as a general "you", not at you personally.

Sorry for the rude awakening, but open PvP isn't fair. That's why so many people hates it in the first place. People quite because of this BS.

I don't remember a victim of open PvP saying: "well, at least it was a home grown predator that got me". The only ones who should care about new comers are those with little opposition (and wanting it to remain so), for all the others it doesn't change much, they're dead anyway. They can deny it all they want, find excuses, plan to be there at some point, but for the majority there is always a bigger fish.

All of sorts of scenarios, you said. All this thread is about is only the worse ones, no matter how likely or unlikely they are to happen. They're the ones put forth to justify not having any kind of transfers. I already stated I don't care either way, I'm just providing counter points, because none are provided. I only see people pointing a shadowy threats and say "hey, it's not always that bad".

Noaani

SirChancelot wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

You could just say they transfer with nothing.

This will piss off more people than just not offering transfers would. It would be a bad decision to offer transfers with this as a condition.

I wouldn't be mad
And it would be better than nothing
If people don't like that, then make a new character?

You are a part of a discussion on it, and are aware of the reasons why restrictions may exist.

Most people are not a part of such conversations, however.

Most people will just see servertransfers and assume it is the same as every other game they have ever played. This is an assumption that they SHOULD make, and we need to work on the understanding that they will.

From there, if they see these restrictions, they will just be pissed off at them. No amount of explaining it will alter this fact.

Anarchy1

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

SirChancelot wrote: »

You could just say they transfer with nothing.

This will piss off more people than just not offering transfers would. It would be a bad decision to offer transfers with this as a condition.

I wouldn't be mad
And it would be better than nothing
If people don't like that, then make a new character?

You are a part of a discussion on it, and are aware of the reasons why restrictions may exist.

Most people are not a part of such conversations, however.

Most people will just see servertransfers and assume it is the same as every other game they have ever played. This is an assumption that they SHOULD make, and we need to work on the understanding that they will.

From there, if they see these restrictions, they will just be pissed off at them. No amount of explaining it will alter this fact.

the only thing is this isn't like every other mmo people have played. Stands to reason there are going to be restrictions/differences in many different scenarios. Will people complain about needing the correct craftsman, and correct materials to repair gear. Prolly, but that doesn't mean you abort that feature. Just because every other game does something a certain way doesn't mean AoC needs to follow. Maybe no server transfers are what's best for the game. I just don't see people being that upset about a restricted transfer. I see it as a way to make both sides content. Pick your server like your going to be there forever, and if you do need to leave for a reason its very limiting so think carefully if its worth it or not.

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