Ground resistance ?

Good day all, I wondered if there was going to be any ground resistances ? Example: If you are walking in a marsh will it feel slow and sluggish compare to running in the plains ?

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Songcaller

The ground also hates being trodden on and makes a ruckus of resistance if you step on its face.

Atama

Neurath wrote: »

The ground also hates being trodden on and makes a ruckus of resistance if you step on its face.

Indeed.

CROW3

That's creepy AF.

Atama

CROW3 wrote: »

That's creepy AF.

That’s from Doctor Who!

The actress who played “Miss Concrete Tile” was the same one who played Moaning Myrtle in the Harry Potter films.

(But yeah, that’s still creepy.)

Sylvanar

Would it really add anything positive to experience though? Yeah I am going through a marsh and instead of going at 100% now I am going at 90% or 50% which would just be annoying.

I believe anything should have both positive and negative aspect to it. What is the upside of this? At the moment there are tons of other core things which need to be fleshed out for the game to reach completion before this level of nitpicking should be given priority.

TheDarkSorcerer

I would rather not have this in-game. I believe it would cause people to avoid certain areas in-game simply because it's "slower" to get around. This sounds nice in RPG's where realism is more used. But not in MMO's, it would just feel clunky.

JustVine

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

I would rather not have this in-game. I believe it would cause people to avoid certain areas in-game simply because it's "slower" to get around. This sounds nice in RPG's where realism is more used. But not in MMO's, it would just feel clunky.

But if there are good resources there, slow speed is a small price to pay for less competition. Especially if I can teleport.

TheDarkSorcerer

JustVine wrote: »

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

I would rather not have this in-game. I believe it would cause people to avoid certain areas in-game simply because it's "slower" to get around. This sounds nice in RPG's where realism is more used. But not in MMO's, it would just feel clunky.

But if there are good resources there, slow speed is a small price to pay for less competition. Especially if I can teleport.

Sounds more like punishment to me. I cannot stand games that cost stam to jump and such, this is sorta the same. Let stuff like that stay in RPG's. MMO's are fast paced.

JustVine

'Some' mmo's are fast paced.

Caww

There were some actual footprints left in the snow for the UE5 reveal so maybe that is some acknowledgment of different ground textures for a future use (like tracking?).

Atama

Maybe rather than mud that slows you down (I agree, that can be annoying), maybe there is ice that you can slide around on. It is harder to control your character when going on ice, but you move faster, and if you get skilled at it maybe you can "skate" to get places faster.

Sylvanar

Atama wrote: »

Maybe rather than mud that slows you down (I agree, that can be annoying), maybe there is ice that you can slide around on. It is harder to control your character when going on ice, but you move faster, and if you get skilled at it maybe you can "skate" to get places faster.

But if some effect is then associated with any type terrain, ice for example, they would have to do something similar to all the different types of terrains.

At the end of the day this is a game and I am averse to this level of realism. The cause being more than mere dislike of the annoyance this will cause. While looking simple at a first glance, if implemented, skills, movement and everything will need to be configured and tested on all the terrains.

Lets take ice. It is slippery. Now when you dodge on ice does your character perform that action at normal speed or should it appear a bit faster? If some level of skill is needed to maneuver, what does the lack of it mean for the player? Just adding "slide" wouldn't be enough. Now imagine doing the same for all the different terrain types. How these effects will interact with ground focused spells or AoE spells?

On flip side, say it is implemented at a very basic level. Just slide or slow. This will feel very clunky and take away a ton from immersion when in these areas cuz different actions/effects would look disjointed with player movement.

Atama

Sylvanar wrote: »

Lets take ice. It is slippery. Now when you dodge on ice does your character perform that action at normal speed or should it appear a bit faster? If some level of skill is needed to maneuver, what does the lack of it mean for the player? Just adding "slide" wouldn't be enough. Now imagine doing the same for all the different terrain types. How these effects will interact with ground focused spells or AoE spells?

In one MMO I play, Star Trek Online, dodging can take you out of a slide. It is often used as a way to manage moving on slippery terrain. But it's not at all realistic. You certainly couldn't do that in real life.

I think you could just make it so you can't dodge while sliding. AoE and ground-focused spells, I don't see how that would be different. The slide might be double-edged; you could potentially get out of an AoE faster and avoid it before it lands, but the lack of control could also get in the way of that.

It might be an interesting mechanic to introduce. It might also be more trouble than its worth.

JustVine

Atama wrote: »

It might be an interesting mechanic to introduce. It might also be more trouble than its worth.

Hmm yeah I agree. Interesting thought.

clone63

I would love this in the game, but I can't see it being worth the time and buginess of testing all the movement based abilities and effects on the different behaving terrain. For what it would truly add... I'd rather see something like climbing or limited levitating or something .. an expansion on mobility/ character dynamics, even if you can't use abilities (ex. swimming combat is always brutal), just to feel like less of an action figure on a board..

Atama

clone63 wrote: »

I'd rather see something like climbing or limited levitating or something .. an expansion on mobility/ character dynamics, even if you can't use abilities (ex. swimming combat is always brutal), just to feel like less of an action figure on a board..

Parkour is already planned.

daveywavey

Atama wrote: »

In one MMO I play, Star Trek Online, dodging can take you out of a slide. It is often used as a way to manage moving on slippery terrain. But it's not at all realistic. You certainly couldn't do that in real life.

Hehe, you used to be able to roll up the Engineer's Cover Shield and stand on top of it to shoot them. And you could use your own Cover Shield to climb up stuff that you'd otherwise not be able to get to. Good times

Beauchee

TheDarkSorcerer wrote: »

I would rather not have this in-game. I believe it would cause people to avoid certain areas in-game simply because it's "slower" to get around. This sounds nice in RPG's where realism is more used. But not in MMO's, it would just feel clunky.

Maybe if some mounts could counter that type of terrain, would that be ok then ?

Sylvanar

Beauchee wrote: »

Maybe if some mounts could counter that type of terrain, would that be ok then ?

Its not about countering the effects. Infact adding mounts to nullify these effects would make all the hard work quite meaningless.
Lets say this gets implemented. Now what is this bringing to the gameplay experience is my question other than just the modification to the movement speed when in these areas.

Rather a better and less complicated way of implementing something similar would be to add some effects on some mounts. For example:
- Ice terrain, Penguin mount. This mount can slide and move at 200% on ice but only 50% on normal ground.
- Marsh terrain, Crocodile mount. This mount can move at 150% in marshy areas but only 75% on normal ground.
As penguins and crocodiles are actually slow on ground, it doesnt take away from the realism aspect as well.

These would be a luxury mounts as a reward of some in-game event. Or have a rare recessive trait which has 5-10% chance of being dominant. Rare mounts so to speak.

CROW3

This makes me think of the mud pools in BotW. I like the idea of natural, non-MOB dangers in the wilds. Quick sand, swift water, icy ledges, loose stalactites, choking/trip vines, bottomless bogs, noxious swamp gas, etc etc.

It makes exploration feel all the more dangerous, and thus all the more rewarding when you end up someplace entirely new while being, you know, not dead. 🧐

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