Ground resistance ?

Good day all, I wondered if there was going to be any ground resistances ? Example: If you are walking in a marsh will it feel slow and sluggish compare to running in the plains ?

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theonsin

CROW3 wrote: »

This makes me think of the mud pools in BotW. I like the idea of natural, non-MOB dangers in the wilds. Quick sand, swift water, icy ledges, loose stalactites, choking/trip vines, bottomless bogs, noxious swamp gas, etc etc.

It makes exploration feel all the more dangerous, and thus all the more rewarding when you end up someplace entirely new while being, you know, not dead. 🧐

Absolutely agree but:
there may be problems with the passage of content

tautau

This is a good idea. If there was a swampy area that slowed travel, for example, which most people avoided, that is the route I would take for my caravan to lessen the chance of attack.

Sylvanar

Can caravans even off road? I mean if they are going to bother with this level of realism then how do you expect caravans to be able to traverse in a swamp? Ice would be plausible but still unreal unless the caravan is actually a sledge.

bloodprophet

Sylvanar wrote: »

Can caravans even off road? I mean if they are going to bother with this level of realism then how do you expect caravans to be able to traverse in a swamp? Ice would be plausible but still unreal unless the caravan is actually a sledge.

In the video from a while ago they spawned a caravan and went off road with it.
1:06:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkwaYLOuw2s

1:07:41 Stevens superb drive skills gets the caravan momentarily stuck on a rock.

Hopefully it stays this way long term. With everything having collision getting stuck on various things would make the road way more efficient and potentially dangerous from a PvP point. But being off road I would imagine hazards and wild things attacking the caravan could also bring a fair portion of risk.

Will be interesting to see if people plan off road routes in an attempt to avoid the PvP portion and how the counter play is to that.

Also there are various Skins not sure if they will have game play effects or not at this point. Would be neat if stuff like this worked better in the snow or on a beach maybe vs the open road in a more temperate climate.

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Urlor's_Expedition#/media/File:Urlor's_Expedition.png
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/The_Crimson_Carriage
https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Verdant_Voyager#/media/File:Verdant_Voyager.png

akabear

I thought there already was something somewhat implemented with travel on roads vs general terrain.

All for some variance.

Slow up hill, faster down.
Slower through snow, marsh, water etc.

Sylvanar

tautau wrote: »

If there was a swampy area that slowed travel, for example, which most people avoided, that is the route I would take for my caravan to lessen the chance of attack.

Looking at the video posted by bloodprophet, it looks like the caravan would follow whatever is happening to the person pulling the caravan. So there wouldn't be anything specific associated with the caravan.

Vaknar

What kind of scenarios could you see yourself enjoying and not enjoying with a feature such as this? How do you feel it would affect your gameplay in different situations? Great conversations, everyone

CROW3

It would be cool if one effect of corruption’s corrosiveness on the environment would involve the ground being more difficult to pass. Think of the vegetation that’s so diseased it’s melting in Jordan’s Blight, or the infection of Mirkwood.

Passing through a corrupted environment may require a specific set of items (like swamp boots in Ultima VII), elixirs, or spells - which may make a certain class combo or alchemist critical to access secrets/raids/bosses in such an environment.

Birthday

I find it actually very idea. Add to this idea that certain classes can change the environment temporarily and you get a winning idea because you create a formula where class choice and ability choice matters again alongside terrain choice.
How this plays out in my head in a few PvP examples:

1#Warrior fights a rogue, rogue runs away towards a frozen lake. Rogue due to his agility and leather armor can slide and turn faster than the heavy armored warrior. Rogue takes the advantage but the warrior decides to jump slam his hammer onto the frozen lake triggering the ice to break and it's an underwater battle all of a sudden.

2#Summoner gets ambushed by a rogue hiding in the murky swamp. Due to the terrain being a muddy swamp both the rogue and summoner are having trouble (movement speed debuff and melee attack speed debuff) with moving because no matter how nimble your feet still sink down into the mud. The rogue had the advantage due to the terrain giving him more places to hide. However the summoner could summon creatures which are adapt at this biome and they don't suffer from the movement debuff and attack speed debuff. Suddenly the summoner has the advantage.
This would add more versatility to the summoner class and give more reasons for people to choose certain specs according to what they want to do. For example do you like and prefer sea combat the most? Okay then you could spec as a songcaller (bard+summoner). This I imagine would be advantageous because battles in the sea would be mostly ship vs ship battle and ship invasion/defense battles and port battles. This means your aoe buffs and debuffs will always hit everyone on the battlefield due to the small size of the terrain(ship or port).
Want terrain versatility? Become a conjurerer(summoner+summoner). Now you can always choose to summon the best type of summon for every terrain at any moment.

3# Rangers could get a range attack increased miss chance debuff in dense forests but if you are a Py'rai ranger then you've spent all your life training in forests like that so you don't get the debuff and suddenly there is added meaning to the race and class combo you chose thanks to terrain!

I always found it unsettling and destroying immersion when I'd see that in all MMOs races playing on their home terrain or similar terrains to their home terrain didn't give them any kind of advantage over other races. It would make sense for the vaelune to be greater at battles in the sand. Their warriors would be trained in a different way of handling their weapon, in a different stance because of their home ground(desert) on which they were born and mostly reside, even their bodies would be more adapt at handling the heat and awful footing of desert terrain.
Py'Rai should get some kind of advantage in forests based on the same concept. Etc.

Terrain should matter imo. You shouldn't be able to run full speed up a hill. Yes it might be annoying when exploring but in that case buy yourself a goat type mount and be free of this hindrance. However more depth is added to the game, specially in a PvP-orientated game like this one because now casters and rangers would feel it worth their time to reposition on top of a hill. This would add specially more depth to sieges if terrain matters and high ground matters. High ground could be utilized by melee units as well by staying on the high ground they could get a small attack damage buff when fighting someone below them. This is something that's been missing in MMOs for quite some time. The fact that terrain doesn't matter is what causes this sort of visually disenchanting circling movement in most MMOs' pvp combat

https://youtu.be/ARUAiXhbjrw?t=341 <-- circling movement I am talking about at 5:41

If terrain could influence combat and classes and races could benefit from certain kinds of terrain this would add more immersion and depth to the game overall and to the sieges.

Shoelid

For things like this, I find it's always better to make people feel like they're getting a bonus, rather than a penalty. A rather famous anecdote is from the original WoW dev team, who wanted to make sure people who couldn't play all the time could keep up. They originally implemented a system which nerfs your XP gains the more you play. Most people would agree this sounds pretty annoying to deal with. Instead, they went with the 'rested XP system', allowing people who took breaks from the game to gain more XP. Most people like this. Same result, but wildly different perception.

For terrain speeds/ground resistance, I think having large areas that slow you down would be pretty annoying. Instead of 'bad terrain' there should be 'optimal paths'. Maybe the main paths will speed you up a bit, or there are bridges in key locations that keep you from having to swim across.

I like @Birthday 's suggestions with the different races. Giving the different races thematic buffs in certain biomes would be cool, especially when the nodes themselves will model after the race that built them.

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