Why not offer 2v2 Arenas?

Currently it seems only 1v1, 3v3 and 5v5 arenas are planned. How come 2v2 is overlooked? Playing a game togheter with only 1 friend is extremely common and I don't see why 2v2 should not be offered at all. I mean, in many other games 2v2 is immensely more popular than 5v5 and 1v1. Many players even prefer to focus on it!

I love 3v3 but sometimes just chilling with a single friend doing 2v2 is very fun and laid back. It has a slower pace than 3v3 while still offering you to play with a friend. When I feel like just playing for fun and start playing quickly with a friend 2v2 is the best way to do that. It is convenient. finding a third player is sometimes a hassle.

Also 2v2 opens up the option for viable non healer combos. In 2v2, you can usually pair anything you want and don't be heavily handicapped for not bringing a healer/support. This helps simply jumping in to games with strangers and friends without worrying all that much about combos.

Why not just offer 2v2 in combination with the other sizes? I believe you should offer it and don't see a reason why not.

Also, do we even need 1v1 arenas, when dueling is a thing? If you want them, do not make these rated, it is stupid. Please, do not have a single piece of content or achivement connected to 1v1. It will backlash like hell.

What do you think?

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Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

Maybe for the arena when they did the brawl is what I remember it being was choatic 😂

If players are used to 5 man groups, then sure, 8v8 may not be overly well organized.

On the other hand, if players are used to 8 man groups, 8v8 will be organized, because people are used to organizing groups of that size.

Pyrolol wrote: »

Ranked arena with different rewards, different season gears, titles, mounts etc

Intrepid have outright said that the arena will not reward players with gear. That is a no-go.

Thinking about what "could be" is all good. I have no problem with that. The thing is, you need to think about what "could be" within the bounds of what Intrepid have said - at least in regards to the broad strokes of the game.

If they say they want to incentivize people to play out in the open world rather than in instances (which includes the arena), then you have to make the assumption that this holds true in any "could be" situation.

If you don't take these things in to account, you are thinking about a game that is not Ashes, and what "could be" in that game.

Pyrolol

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

Maybe for the arena when they did the brawl is what I remember it being was choatic 😂

If players are used to 5 man groups, then sure, 8v8 may not be overly well organized.

On the other hand, if players are used to 8 man groups, 8v8 will be organized, because people are used to organizing groups of that size.

Pyrolol wrote: »

Ranked arena with different rewards, different season gears, titles, mounts etc

Intrepid have outright said that the arena will not reward players with gear. That is a no-go.

Thinking about what "could be" is all good. I have no problem with that. The thing is, you need to think about what "could be" within the bounds of what Intrepid have said - at least in regards to the broad strokes of the game.

If they say they want to incentivize people to play out in the open world rather than in instances (which includes the arena), then you have to make the assumption that this holds true in any "could be" situation.

If you don't take these things in to account, you are thinking about a game that is not Ashes, and what "could be" in that game.

They only said at this stage, haven’t confirmed that it won’t. Like i said with different seasons added it might change later on down the track

And intrepid have confirmed there will be seasons so obviously the first season won’t have it but in future ones it might after the game has been out for a while

Also i tried to look up what you said, they only mentioned that you can’t que arena from anywhere like in WoW for example
You will be forced into the open world to go down to an arena contender to que with your team

That’s all ive found on what you have wrote

JamesSunderland

Noaani wrote: »

If players are used to 5 man groups, then sure, 8v8 may not be overly well organized.

On the other hand, if players are used to 8 man groups, 8v8 will be organized, because people are used to organizing groups of that size.

Exactly, organization of groups is a matter of experience and time, Lineage 2 for example was 9-man party size and competitive 9v9 fights of experienced groups was extremely organized and was pretty strategy reliant.

bloodprophet

https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Arenas

Arena points that can be used to buy gear is not currently in the design.[7]

Mounts come from the animal husbandry system.
Gear comes from crafting.
Both these should stay that way keeps the economy moving.

Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

And intrepid have confirmed there will be seasons

Indeed they have, just not arena seasons.

The game will have PvP seasons, and your score for a given season is based on your performance in all forms of PvP - sieges, caravans, guild and node wars -
and arenas as an afterthought.

Pyrolol

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

And intrepid have confirmed there will be seasons

Indeed they have, just not arena seasons.

The game will have PvP seasons, and your score for a given season is based on your performance in all forms of PvP - sieges, caravans, guild and node wars -
and arenas as an afterthought.

PvP seasons

Performance in various PvP systems (such as Caravans, Arenas, Guild wars) is measured over the course of 6 month PvP seasons. At the end of each season, a player's cumulative score may unlock various rewards.[2][12]

Gear enhancement rewards.[12]
Achievement ranks.[12]
Purchasing power (Currency).[12]

Jeez you’re full of it, not even a side thought it’s literally on par with the rest of the pvp modes in this game

Again, you literally come on here just to down talk it, like, why even give your opinion on something you care so little about

Noaani

Pyrolol wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Pyrolol wrote: »

And intrepid have confirmed there will be seasons

Indeed they have, just not arena seasons.

The game will have PvP seasons, and your score for a given season is based on your performance in all forms of PvP - sieges, caravans, guild and node wars -
and arenas as an afterthought.

PvP seasons

Performance in various PvP systems (such as Caravans, Arenas, Guild wars) is measured over the course of 6 month PvP seasons. At the end of each season, a player's cumulative score may unlock various rewards.[2][12]

Gear enhancement rewards.[12]
Achievement ranks.[12]
Purchasing power (Currency).[12]

Jeez you’re full of it, not even a side thought it’s literally on par with the rest of the pvp modes in this game

Again, you literally come on here just to down talk it, like, why even give your opinion on something you care so little about

Here's a quote you should maybe consider when thinking about how Intrepid see arenas in Ashes.

The importance of arenas are obviously that players have an opportunity to participate [and] practice out certain builds from a PvP perspective and can compete with one another within the system.

That is how they see them. As a tool to help players get ready for the real game - which is the open world. Everything related to rewards and such in the arena absolutely us an afterthought - because they literally thought of it after they thought of the arena as this tool for players.

I can't think of a better description of "afterthought" than something that was thought about after the fact.

Nightmarelol

I guess we will see on release
2v2 is a good addition I think though

Marzzo

Vaknar wrote: »

If you were in a 2v2, what classes/archetypes would your ideal 2v2 team consist of?

I think most people would play with their friend, regardless if it is viable or not!

I would personally go for a double dps high damage combo. Since I like fast paced arenas!

Whisky

Jahlon wrote: »

Because 2s are a lot harder to balance, for all the reasons you already stated.

2v2 allows you to run a non healer pair, and usually have enough burst to over power a healers output. So you essentially build a tier that healers avoid.

Or in the flip side you create a situation where a 2 healer team is impossible to kill because no pairing can produce enough output to burst one healer down. The healers either slowly wear you down, or they troll the arena and force you into maclx time matches.

This argument can be used in any combination of X vs Y...2 vs 2 isn't some magical number that is impossible to balance.

Having said that, I prefer the challenge of larger arenas and feel that 1 vs 1 should be duels and not ranked, arenas should start at 2 vs 2 and go to whatever max group size is.

Noaani

Whisky wrote: »

Jahlon wrote: »

Because 2s are a lot harder to balance, for all the reasons you already stated.

2v2 allows you to run a non healer pair, and usually have enough burst to over power a healers output. So you essentially build a tier that healers avoid.

Or in the flip side you create a situation where a 2 healer team is impossible to kill because no pairing can produce enough output to burst one healer down. The healers either slowly wear you down, or they troll the arena and force you into maclx time matches.

This argument can be used in any combination of X vs Y...2 vs 2 isn't some magical number that is impossible to balance.

Having said that, I prefer the challenge of larger arenas and feel that 1 vs 1 should be duels and not ranked, arenas should start at 2 vs 2 and go to whatever max group size is.

1v1 is the ONLY arena that should be ranked, imo.

Veeshan

Vaknar wrote: »

If you were in a 2v2, what classes/archetypes would your ideal 2v2 team consist of?

withgout knowing classes/what they actually do thats hard to answerer, Typically it be 2 dps or 1 dps and 1 healer, tanks are not used as much cause if they have 1 healer on the other side it usualy an auto loss due to not having the dmg to go through there healing on ur team alot

superhero6785

Personally, I think 1v1 shouldn't even exist. They've already said they don't plan to balance anything for solo content, which means there will be blatant imbalances between classes in 1v1. Similar for 2v2. It should really be 3v3, 5v5 & 8v8, imo. 8v8 would focus on objective based battles where coordination would be more greatly rewarded over 3 individually skilled PvPers.

Noaani

superhero6785 wrote: »

Personally, I think 1v1 shouldn't even exist. They've already said they don't plan to balance anything for solo content

Yeah, but every primary class will have a secondary that will make them at least somewhat competitive.If you are going in to the arena for 1v1, you just make sure you pick that class.

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