Lineage 3 vs Ashes of Creation | What now Steven?

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DId AoC take too much time to release?

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Noaani

Project TL has been known about since 2017.

MybroViajero

Cool , new blood for the genre, better for everyone.

bloodprophet

Stay the course pal!

Birthday

Too korean

TrUSivraj

I wasn't even hyped for that game. Doesn't appeal to my personal taste. AoC has my trust for the near-perfect mmo of my lifetime. I don't need insane action in mmos, just enough action to keep my adrenaline flowing when necessary.

JamesSunderland

We talking NCsoft here, i believe we can expect some pretty intense P2W and as we well know, one of Ashes main selling points is it's No-P2W ideal. Other than that we are still lacking a lot of information about TL to know how much of a rival to Ashes, TL can be.

As a long-time L2 player i will be certainly checking out the game tho.
I mean it's been in production since 2011 it has to be atleast interesting. [COPIUM]

fabula

Was a big L2 fan but from what I don't see I am very dissapointed. It just seems like an updated version of L2 with the same overall mechanics. Most ppl will solo grind in areas and the "dynamic" environment will just be events that kick off from time to time. There will be huge bosses but it will always be a zerg-fest type of boss.

For L3 I was hoping they would combine their Group PvP castle sieges add western-style mmo dungeons/raids.

Group PvP is the only saving grace, it was done pretty good in L2 and I hope its even better in L3. Hope I'm wrong about everything else though.

Talents

It's not Lineage 3, they confirmed as much in the developer interview. It was originally going to be L3 but they changed course part-way through development.

Noaani wrote: »

Project TL has been known about since 2017.

The overall game has been in development since at least 2011. It started as Project Eternal. This game is the definition of being in development hell. A lot of the L2 fans seem to be really disappointed in this from what I've seen.

It's NCSoft though so it'll 100% be P2W.

Caww

“We will sell no wine before its time”

Like anything else, the quality of the product will determine the customer base, not the date of introduction.

mfckingjoker

It will just be another cash grab by ncsoft, not even close to what l2 once was, so not a direct competitor for aoc imo. By the time aoc launches TL will most likely be totally irrelevant.

George_Black

Old news. Looks like a mobile phone game.

Vaknar

MybroViajero wrote: »

Cool , new blood for the genre, better for everyone.

I totally agree with this. We're all MMORPG fans and gamers here and even if a game is similar to Ashes of Creation, doesn't mean we can't try it out and have fun with it!

Okeydoke

Heh Asmon gave Steven and Ashes a little plug somewhere around midway through the video.

I'll definitely try out the game if it has pvp systems I like and is not too heavy on p2w.

I'm not worried about it as far as Ashes. If Ashes puts out the game they say they're going to put out, the full vision, it will be a banger. Yeah there's increased competition in the mmo genre on the horizon, between Throne and Liberty, Archeage 2 and the League of Legends mmo. We don't really know the full feature sets of either of those three games at this point or how much they'll directly compete with Ashes.

But T&L is releasing this year so it's kind of moot. Ashes and the other two games are still years (hopefully not too many) off.

Azrial

I have faith that ashes will do just fine even with the rise of new AAA MMOs coming out, The way I see it the more the better just gives ashes of creation competition a reason to strive for even more and keep innovating.
Even with mad hype on any game as new worlds and the lost ark have shown us, if you keep consistent and good the players will stay if you start messing up or do questionable business decisions, bad dev support and whatnot, people will fall off rapidly and some maybe never return.
if they do succeed and do unreal there are enough players these days to make all MMOs successful but as for me I'm always one game main and i have been waiting to get into a game like this for some time haha.
good post mate.

Veeshan

hmmm korean game probaly gonna be pay to win going by history of Korean games

Atama

Another trash eastern MMORPG full of P2W. Games like this are why Ashes of Creation is needed so badly. It is needed as an alternative to the same-old garbage MMOs.

AoC is not taking too long to release. This is like asking if a 4-Star chef is taking too long to open his restaurant because McDonald's just opened another location in the same city.

YandereChan

Uhh ill be playing both games lol im not biased. TL looks amazing and I cant wait to play it. Will it have p2w stuff? Most likely as they all do but I have reached very high gear scores in many korean MMOs without spending money and I will again for TL lol

overfitneuralnet

I'm sorry, but how is Project TL even a competitor to Ashes?
It's like saying Lost Ark is, when they are kind of completely different games..

Azherae

overfitneuralnet wrote: »

I'm sorry, but how is Project TL even a competitor to Ashes?
It's like saying Lost Ark is, when they are kind of completely different games..

Because 'moderates' in the MMO community have time budgets.

The sort of person on this forum posting is probably here because they have lots of investment in exactly how Ashes does things or were convinced by the specifics. There are not THAT many of us here.

In order for Ashes to not 'lose some players to other games' (probably a decent chunk), even players that would enjoy Ashes, Intrepid would have to do certain things better or equal to many other games. Even among forum posters we already know that.

Crafting, Combat, Dynamism, Questing, Balance, Ease of Grouping (in terms of mechanics and reasons to group), Incentives(general positive reasons to log in even when things aren't going great), Large Scale PvP, Social Motivators, Economy, 'Endgame' content, no/limited P2W

I can't speak for others, but Ashes is not yet topping any of these for me, and more importantly, at the moment, I don't expect it to. Until TL was fully revealed, I could at least think:

"Ashes will be the best for Dynamism and Large Scale PvP and maybe Incentives, for the next Gen of MMOs, so I just have to hope they get the rest somewhat right."

TL has introduced a potential challenger for all three of those in one breath. I expect Ashes to still 'win' in Incentives because of NCSoft game design style, and most people seem to expect it to blow them away in 'No P2W' due to previous experiences.

But people also stick to games they are into, so 'being first out the gate' does matter when you are talking MMOs, which many people still play for the combination of challenge/growth and social aspects. Not every tortoise beats the hare.

overfitneuralnet

Azherae wrote: »

overfitneuralnet wrote: »

I'm sorry, but how is Project TL even a competitor to Ashes?
It's like saying Lost Ark is, when they are kind of completely different games..

Because 'moderates' in the MMO community have time budgets.

The sort of person on this forum posting is probably here because they have lots of investment in exactly how Ashes does things or were convinced by the specifics. There are not THAT many of us here.

In order for Ashes to not 'lose some players to other games' (probably a decent chunk), even players that would enjoy Ashes, Intrepid would have to do certain things better or equal to many other games. Even among forum posters we already know that.

Crafting, Combat, Dynamism, Questing, Balance, Ease of Grouping (in terms of mechanics and reasons to group), Incentives(general positive reasons to log in even when things aren't going great), Large Scale PvP, Social Motivators, Economy, 'Endgame' content, no/limited P2W

I can't speak for others, but Ashes is not yet topping any of these for me, and more importantly, at the moment, I don't expect it to. Until TL was fully revealed, I could at least think:

"Ashes will be the best for Dynamism and Large Scale PvP and maybe Incentives, for the next Gen of MMOs, so I just have to hope they get the rest somewhat right."

TL has introduced a potential challenger for all three of those in one breath. I expect Ashes to still 'win' in Incentives because of NCSoft game design style, and most people seem to expect it to blow them away in 'No P2W' due to previous experiences.

But people also stick to games they are into, so 'being first out the gate' does matter when you are talking MMOs, which many people still play for the combination of challenge/growth and social aspects. Not every tortoise beats the hare.

Maybe i'm not a part of some super secret Discord server that has all the gameplay and mechanics info about Project TL, but everything i can find is just the trailer and some gameplay that looks very Lost Ark-y.
I guess there is some overlap between people who play 3rd person MMORPGs and people who play isometric ones, but i still don't see them being competition to each other.

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