Suggestion for Pirate nation/node

So i had a thought that there could be room for a pirate nation/node that functions slightly different than the current nodes we are getting the idea of pirate nodes (Could even have the occasional bandit one) is to add pvp hotspots where the kill penalty is either non existent or you gain much less corruption as a citizen im not sure how deferential the current corruption system is with punishing effects however i feel this system would provide pvp area's and hotspot where player can avoid if they dont want increased chance of being PK aswell as adding a hot spot for bounty hunting aswell.

Ok the idea of these nodes
There be say a handful of pirate modes around the spot i would say 7-9 of them going by the map we currently have there be 3 on each main continent and then a couple on islands, these nodes will acts a little independent of the nnormal node system where they are not influenced/blocked by normal node zone of influence from ranking up however the difference is they compete with themselfs so there only be 1 pirate metropolis node 2 city nodes 2 town nodes and the rest cap out at village node level (Reason for 2 city nodes is to give option on what one might hit the final stage when the metropolis is destroyed)
Note: you could cap pirate node at city and not allow for pirate metropolis it depends how important this node type is realy if you give the pirates one or not

Effect on the world
- Pirate nodes zone of influence will grow as it levels up (It wont block progression of towns around it since it independent of normal node system) however this zone would do something else instead which will be to flag everyone in it as combatants to everyone who is corrupted

- Corrupted p[layers wont receive normal death penalty within the area of influence or significantly less this is to promote these players staying within these areas so there be heavy pvp around these area but not as much outside

- You could also play around with death penalty in this zone as making players drop a small amount if items from inventory such as animal bonds and things however could make loot worth more from mobs within this influence aswell as a trade off

Citizenship
- being a citizen of a pirate node will flag you as corrupted and will be KOS to all other nodes

- Citizens will also not receive penalty for dealths/corruption penalty from kills/deaths in the ocean

How the nodes work with seiges
- Pirate nodes will progress at a quicker rate than normal nodes however when they get seige/destroyed they get bumped back down to level 0 so players in local region may be more incentivised to keep the node at bay and preventing it from getting to high

- high enough level nodes will get a pirate shipyard which allow very slightly stronger shipbuilder recipes/results

infamy
Pirate citizens gain infamy from pvp actions which is a form of currency used to purchased unique items in the pirate from pirate style armor recipes to boats and so on.

I think the nodes would be a cool idea when it comes to adding pvp hotspots in certain area's of the map aswell as incentivising non corrupt players in the area a goal to seige pirate outposts before they get to built up where they become stronger and have more sway in the area they can raid (pvp without as much penalty).

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GrinningJack

Ashes of Creation is not meant to be a grief or pk box type of game, so pirate nodes and so on make no sense, and will just throw off the balance within the game.

Vaknar

In theory, some of what you're looking for in your pirate node concept can be done with Military nodes!

There will also be some forms of PvP that are lower risk and opt-in, such as arenas!

It is interesting to theorycraft other node types besides the four (Divine, Economic, Military, Scientific)

I encourage creative thinking like this and would love to hear what others could think up in terms of different node types!

Veeshan

Vaknar wrote: »

In theory, some of what you're looking for in your pirate node concept can be done with Military nodes!

There will also be some forms of PvP that are lower risk and opt-in, such as arenas!

It is interesting to theorycraft other node types besides the four (Divine, Economic, Military, Scientific)

I encourage creative thinking like this and would love to hear what others could think up in terms of different node types!

I just think it be worth having a node available that is the opposite of military to a degree, military very anti PK with the bounty hunter system which would reduce pvp activity around them but a node that adds incentive or softens penalty for the corrupted player would work hand in hand with them maybe something like killing bounty hunter player greatly reduces your corruption you have so they work hand in hand with each other bounty hunter hunt the corrupted player if corrupted player beats bounty hunter he gets rewarded with reduction of corruption could be a way to go.
But i think a node that promotes open world pvp for the player who wish to play the bad guy aka pirate or bandits has a place aswell, so we kinda get a good vs evil thing going between pvp player with bounty hunters vs bandits/pirates. I feel there some good conflict with something like this.
Ofcourse not looking for a system to promote killing people who dont stand a chance to defend themself such as lowbies and bullying people you already killed recently.

there also lead to potential possibly to incentives pve players to go out of the way in trying to destroy these specific nodes to reduce the amount of bandits/pirates in the world by preventing them to gain a foot hold in there area. and people on the other side of the map might be no thats good cause if there around there city/metropolis we might get peace in our neck of the woods since most heavy pk player would hang out in that town but if the city is destroyed in seige war they might pop up on the other side of the map again or spread out of they dont have another town to fall back too

mcstackerson

We have also heard the military node reduces the duration of corruption. I don't think we know the specifics of what that means but it sounds like it's supposed to lessen the corruption penalty in some way. Wouldn't be much of a point to bounty hunters if no one was getting corrupted.

Veeshan

mcstackerson wrote: »

We have also heard the military node reduces the duration of corruption. I don't think we know the specifics of what that means but it sounds like it's supposed to lessen the corruption penalty in some way. Wouldn't be much of a point to bounty hunters if no one was getting corrupted.

does seem weird that you can be like im a bounty hunter now, next day im gonna murder a bunch of green cause reduction in corruptuin time next day im good again im a bounty hunter

lol

Spurius

Atama wrote: »

(Basically, your pirate node idea seems like it's trying to find a place where PvP will be available to people, but it's not needed because we'll already have plenty of those.)

We will have plenty of "kill them to defend the caravan" or "capture the castle" kind of PvP. He is proposing "just kill whoever you see" kind of PvP.

Karthos wrote: »

I've found that "PVP zones" tend to be dead zones 90% of the time. People avoid them, even people who want to PVP, because, well people avoid them, so there's not much PVP to be had.

In LOTRO many players played exclusevely for Ettenmoors - an open-world PvP location. It was very similar to what is proposed here: just kill whoever you see, and get "infamy" or "fame", which then gets you PvP-ranks and rewards.
In vanilla World of Warcraft, by the admission of Kevin Jordan, one of three original game designers, Alterak Valley was planned to be something similar as well, but they've eventually turned it into another battleground.

Atama wrote: »

He wants to discourage the behavior so that it's rare, but not discourage it so much that it never happens. But he also doesn't want to flat-out encourage it either. An area that gives free reign to ganking whoever, whenever, that is absolutely inviting the behavior.

The reason why he would want to discourage it is because people with high level and powerfull gear would just go around killing new players after a bad day at work.
However, when you can't do such a thing generally, but there is a specific place where you can, the story is completely different. Because the only people who would even go to such a place are the ones who are up for it. There is no "griefing", and nothing to try to discourage or prevent. You sign a waver at the entrance, and it says "I will murder anyone I want, and I shell be attacked by anyone who thinks he can take me". And you go in.

I have a sence that because of that desicion made about Alterac Valley back in the day, World of Warcraft players were robbed of their free-pvp zone. And because World of Warcraft had such an influence on so many games that came out subsequently, many other players were robbed as well. And now I hear things like:

Atama wrote: »

And I don't see it bringing anything good, rather it will just be a shelter for toxicity.

Karthos wrote: »

I've found that "PVP zones" tend to be dead zones 90% of the time.

And even:

Pyrolol wrote: »

in every mmo only thing that keeps people coming back or staying in PvP is the arena seasons

I assure you, none of that is true.

Spurius

My ideas abot pirate nodes.

1) There is no leveling in pirate zones. You come there at lvl 50 if you wish. The system of pirate node development would have to be something different.
2) By killing other players you get pirate "infamy". Infamy gets you one of, say, 15 "pirate" ranks, which are really hard to get. Takes months to get rank ~10, takes years to get rank ~15.
3) Each rank gives you access to good "pirate" gear that adds cool "pirate" abilities.

insomnia

It's impressive the ideas people come up, to avoid the corruption or why it won't work. Despite it not having been tested yet. It was the same with New World and why it should go full pvp

Veeshan

insomnia wrote: »

It's impressive the ideas people come up, to avoid the corruption or why it won't work. Despite it not having been tested yet. It was the same with New World and why it should go full pvp

its not necessarily trying to advoid corruption its more trying to get more having the option of getting more bank for your buck with corruption before your foced to pve or time out corruption timer to get it down.
Some players like to pvp more than others so giving them a node to accomodate that with the trade off of loosing other node bonuses you could have it you citizen there allows for more options with play style. Military node kinda helps with bounty hunter system however that pvp is tied in with people being corrupted and if there no corrupted player pvpers feel like there on a timed event where there time is controlled on players being corrupted on when they get to pvp if that makes sense.
i was looking for a node that offers more general pvp experience more often before having to wait for your corrupting timer or what not. This being said it depends alot on the current ratio of corruption vs kill which might be fine as is but if it isnt a pk pirate/bandit node could allow for a little extra pvp experience vefore they need to do there corruption reduction quests/farm

superhero6785

If your goal is to create "PvP hotspots", there's already a "combatant" flag for anyone looking to engage in lots of PvP and reduce their death penalties. You don't need a special Node to achieve that, in fact that is probably detrimental. Having some sort of Pirate/Water based Node isn't in itself a bad idea, though.

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