Will AoC incorporate any blockchain technologies?

I've seen a few threads around this topic, but were specific to play-to-win, and cryptocurrencies. Blockchain can be leveraged without either, so I am just curious to find out if the devs are going to incorporate the technology at all.

I've immersed myself in blockchain for the past year, and especially on the gaming side, it is exploding....but mostly with crap. Notable exception is Gala (gala.games). I tend to live at the cutting edge of gaming (for the last 40 years), and while AoC has some new wrinkles on the MMORPG trope, it's not groundbreaking. Doesn't mean it won't be fun, which is the core attribute all games should have.

For me personally, now that I understand where our hobby is heading, it is REALLY hard to invest time and effort in a game where no matter what I accomplish in the game world, no matter how much wealth I obtain, or unique items I own, those assets will NEVER leave that world. And you can't glue blockchain on after the fact.

This is why I am asking the question of whether it will be included as part of its core.

Thanks,

Taylors

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Elri1

The only game to come close to developing a functioning economy is EVE, because they hired actual economists. Every other mmo has a trashfire economy, expect the same from Ashes.

Downfall89

God forbid.
Every single blockchain game is a scam or a ponzi scheme (yes i have seen a ton of them and used a lot of time on researching). I want to play games to have fun, not earn or use a ton of money. Let games be fun for the sake of fun. Il rater pay 50$ a month to keep that crap away. Games are my free time from money (except the cost for the game) and real life.

Downfall89

Taylors Expansion wrote: »

Azryil wrote: »

Taylors Expansion wrote: »

That is the point. WHY does an MMO have to be a closed system? Why is that better than an open system?
Taylors

We are fast approaching a time when you WILL be able to play games, and earn a living. Don't tell that to my kids, please. But, just because a game's assets are all owned by the players, does not mean the game is not immersive or fun, which is the argument you are making.

Taylors

A bit off-topic, out of curiosity

Tell me how you are going to compete with china, india and other big countrys with a low minimum wage. Take a look at WoW gold or other game system where digital assets acquired through gameplay are sold. The only one's who care to sell are these countrys. These people dont play for fun for a second, this is their work, and they are damn good at it.
The minimum wage in these countrys are 2$ a hour and below. A lot of people cant get work, so any income is better than non.

Anyone coming from a country with slightly better fortune will without a doubt work 1 hour and pay for 10 hours of in game work.

So sure, if you live in a very low minimum wage country, and you chose to put your kids into what i would call child slave labour, yes, you can allready start with that today. The consept of selling gold as we see today is no different then NFT's, both are in game assets sold for money. It's just rebranded with some fancyer name and connected with a technology that make's you "own" the item. But i have always traded what i want to trade in any game. No one has stolen what i own or claimed ownership over my "Mace of the whale".

And you cant compare with skins in games like CSGO etc, that is a lootbox system, a lottery ticket, it is not play2earn.

Balrog21

All I can say is this, if this game shows any forms of block chains, nft's or anything similar I will drop it like a hot potato and NOT look back.

truelyyy

Simple answer: no

Hawkwood

Disdain for Blockchain and crypto is the only thing the gaming community seems to agree upon. Put it in the game regardless of how well it is done and the majority of players will be gone. Myself included.

Taylors Expansion

KaneMatthams wrote: »

That's an interesting question about AoC and blockchain. As far as I know, I haven't seen any news or updates from the developers regarding blockchain integration.

I posted this in January of 2022, and if anything, I am even MORE convinced that no game without blockchain stands to last more than a few years. Steam broke down, and is now going against its own ban on blockchain. Epic already has several blockchain games on their service, and are directly funding development of others.

Blockchain on mobile is about to explode.

It's not that I'm just a huge fan of blockchain in gaming, it's that as a gamer since the late 70s, I've always been able to see the next trend and go with it. I had the first sound card, the Adlib (and then the Pro Audio Spectrum 16 and in my garage, still have an original Soundblaster), I had the first 3D accelerator (the Rendition Verite), I 3D accelerated across three screens at once with the Matrox Parhelia-512 all the way back in 2002 until my latest rig, which finally has a screen that almost matches three-screen resolution. No offense to the rest of you, but I've never been wrong in predicting where gaming is going.

Blockchain is our future. Better get used to it.

And to the devs of Ashes? You still have a chance to incorporate blockchain into your product. I suggest partnering with Gala. If you need a reference, let me know.

Taylors

Songcaller

We aren't going blockchain because you can't trade, buy, or sell items to each other with money. Rmt is banned and so is account sharing. What else is a blockchain game useful for? Absolutely nothing.

Diamaht

I guess if we make a new;

"I'm just wondering, has anyone here ever heard of block chain technology and all of the incredible benefits it brings?"

thread each month, you can eventually talk every one into it.

No man, you can't quit your job and just play mmos all day.

AnimusRex

Taylors Expansion wrote: »

And to the devs of Ashes? You still have a chance to incorporate blockchain into your product. I suggest partnering with Gala. If you need a reference, let me know.

Taylors

You obviously haven't seen Steven's face when he talks about no p2w, or even e2w, in the game. And how hard they will come down on gold sellers.

Don't hold your breath on getting that phone call.

Taylors Expansion

AnimusRex wrote: »

Taylors Expansion wrote: »

And to the devs of Ashes? You still have a chance to incorporate blockchain into your product. I suggest partnering with Gala. If you need a reference, let me know.

Taylors

You obviously haven't seen Steven's face when he talks about no p2w, or even e2w, in the game. And how hard they will come down on gold sellers.

Don't hold your breath on getting that phone call.

For the record, I am AGAINST P2W or E2W. That is a narrow, and overly negative, view of blockchain tech.

I am for ownership of in-game assets that I earn. And not as a job. In fact, if it's a job, it's not a game. Games must be fun first. Always. This is about having something to show for thousands of hours of gameplay. It is about keeping the legacy of a game we've played alive, long after the game itself is gone. It is about connecting with other players by being able to demonstrate that we were there, when that game came out, by being able to showcase items that could only have come from it.

But I get it. I've met you all before. I've been in this a long time. I met you when you said Shareware would never take off. Met you when you said Freeware would never take off. Met you when you said dedicated Physics chips would never take off, when 3D accelerators would never take off. When wide screen gaming would never take off. We've had these conversations over and over, and people like you keep holding onto the present and past, when the core of our hobby is about embracing the future.

But if the devs wish for their game to be targeted at folks like you, then I wish you both the best of luck. I can no longer justify investing time in games that do not allow me ownership of my efforts. At release, if this game lasts for more than a few years, I will be pleasantly surprised.

Taylors

Noaani

Taylors Expansion wrote: »

I am for ownership of in-game assets that I earn. And not as a job. In fact, if it's a job, it's not a game. Games must be fun first. Always. This is about having something to show for thousands of hours of gameplay.

Blockchain offers you nothing at all in this regard.

When a game is gone, all you are ever going to have of it are memories. This is the same of any non-digital event. If you go tenpin bowling with some friends and have a great time, all you have left when it is done are memories.

Now, you could take photos if you are that way inclined, but you can take screenshots of games (or even videos, if you like). However, all this is doing is giving you a physical trigger for recalling those memories.

Some people have made the false assumption that with blockchain in games, if they achieve something in one game, they could transfer that to another game that they play later on. That is untrue as a general statement.

While some game developers may one day offer this, it will be limited to their games only. You would not be able to play L2 - as an example - achieve something there and take it on to Archeage, then on to Ashes.

But I get it. I've met you all before. I've been in this a long time. I met you when you said Shareware would never take off. Met you when you said Freeware would never take off. Met you when you said dedicated Physics chips would never take off, when 3D accelerators would never take off. When wide screen gaming would never take off. We've had these conversations over and over, and people like you keep holding onto the present and past, when the core of our hobby is about embracing the future.

See, I was around with these things as well.

I don't recall anyone saying shareware or freeware wouldn't work - but I do recall people complaining about the cost of some of the other aspects of those models (specifically freeware, and even more specifically Adobe). I also recall people arguing against these comments by blindly saying that the people making such comments were obviously anti-freeware and needed to "get with the times", despite that not being even close to what the argument was.

I recall people saying dedicated physics chips will be a short term thing, just as math co-processors were. Those people were correct, and dedicated physics chips were only ever a niche thing for a few years, and then were taken over by GPU compute. I absolutely recall people early on (before Nvidia took over Ageia) that physics calculations would be better suited to GPUs, they just need to be made more powerful. I also recall people saying that those claiming that physics calculations should be done on the GPU needed to get with the times, and we would all CLEARLY all be running PPU's along side our GPUs. Nvidia buying Ageia only solidified these comments - why else would they buy it if not to use their technology to sell more hardware?

I never once heard of someone saying 3D accelerator cards won't eventually take off, but I did hear many people say that they didn't really like how they were in their first few generations (essentially only able to generate wireframes). Once again, I also heard people say that those that didn't really like that wireframe result were just thinking in the past, and would be left behind, because obviously all gaming in the future would be 3D wireframe (seriously, people actually made the argument that the only 3D possible would be wireframe, but that this would be what we were all going to be using).

My take on you is that you participate in arguments without actually paying attention to what the opposing argument is. You seem to be doing that here. You are ignoring the fact that there is no reason to implement blockchain in to a game today other than pay to win, or play to earn - or to eventually scam your player base.

Diamaht

Noaani wrote: »

My take on you is that you participate in arguments without actually paying attention to what the opposing argument is. You seem to be doing that here. You are ignoring the fact that there is no reason to implement blockchain in to a game today other than pay to win, or play to earn - or to eventually scam your player base.

He's not ignoring anything, it just doesn't have anything to do with you. This is just marketing. Just let the thread die.

Noaani

Diamaht wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

My take on you is that you participate in arguments without actually paying attention to what the opposing argument is. You seem to be doing that here. You are ignoring the fact that there is no reason to implement blockchain in to a game today other than pay to win, or play to earn - or to eventually scam your player base.

He's not ignoring anything, it just doesn't have anything to do with you. This is just marketing. Just let the thread die.

I mean, if people are making valid points against something he is arguing for and he is not addressing said points, that kind of is ignoring it.

Diamaht

Noaani wrote: »

Diamaht wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

My take on you is that you participate in arguments without actually paying attention to what the opposing argument is. You seem to be doing that here. You are ignoring the fact that there is no reason to implement blockchain in to a game today other than pay to win, or play to earn - or to eventually scam your player base.

He's not ignoring anything, it just doesn't have anything to do with you. This is just marketing. Just let the thread die.

I mean, if people are making valid points against something he is arguing for and he is not addressing said points, that kind of is ignoring it.

I know what you mean. You are right, but the point I'm making is it's not about your point or arguments. It's about keeping the thread on top. I'm actually being a hypocrite for responding to be honest, lol. Just realize that you won't convince anyone who likes this sort of stuff (aka wants money for nothing) and that keeping this sort of thread on top is really just about advertising.

At the very least force them to make a new thread. I assure you they will.

AnimusRex

Taylors Expansion wrote: »

But I get it. I've met you all before. I've been in this a long time. I met you when you said Shareware would never take off. Met you when you said Freeware would never take off. Met you when you said dedicated Physics chips would never take off, when 3D accelerators would never take off. When wide screen gaming would never take off. We've had these conversations over and over, and people like you keep holding onto the present and past, when the core of our hobby is about embracing the future.

Taylors

You need to be older than the Beatles to have existed when I started gaming, but clearly you helped create the universe and have been a prescient leader among all gamers on Earth, so thank you for that. I would have been lost without you.

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