Female Armor

So I've been showing this game to my wife. We play some games together but she only likes to play "hot girl characters". When we play League of Legends, she refuses to play "ugly champions" even if they are really good lol. So when I showed her some armor set images from AoC, she immediately asked "where's the hot girl armor?" I know AoC isn't going to have Hyper Sexualized armor, and that's fine, but will girls have some sort of flattering armor sets? Despite some people's beliefs, it's not just guys that want sexy female characters to look at. Just as some of us guys want to play the super ripped heroic fighter, our wives/girlfriends/female players want to be sexy. Any info or screenshots of such armor? Thanks!

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superhero6785

caedwyn wrote: »

let me share some cool armors for females that i like (i dont play female characters at all but this is to show what is considered beautiful / cute/ in my mind)

Yes! These are exactly the type of armors my wife would love to have!

JustVine

superhero6785 wrote: »

caedwyn wrote: »

let me share some cool armors for females that i like (i dont play female characters at all but this is to show what is considered beautiful / cute/ in my mind)

Yes! These are exactly the type of armors my wife would love to have!

Yeah it's a pretty good selection.

Veeshan

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

The "bikini armor" debate raged back and forth early on in development. Intrepid has stated a few different times that they are looking for a "high fantasy" feel and will shy away from making something sexy just for titillation. If you are looking for "Bikini's and AK's" out of the title I bet you will be disappointed. Just like there will be no overly sexualized children for another niche. There are a few concept art armors out there that may or may not be what you are looking for. From the wiki.

I'm more of the mind that it wouldn't really serve a purpose to have bikini plate armor, just in like reality, if you're going to have armor, it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of an immersive issue.[9] – Steven Sharif

We're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting, but we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like they're there.[9] – Jeffrey Bard

well we got the heavy plate bikini armor version :P both females and males they dont judge

upgrading the chainmail bikini to the plate bikini

DFirehawkC

Here are my suggestions on what I think would be nice for female armors for mages/archers/priestess type classes.

DFirehawkC

Here's some for warriors:

Caeryl

Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord

There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps

DFirehawkC

Caeryl wrote: »

Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord

There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps

Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.

JustVine

DFirehawkC wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord

There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps

Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.

I believe the 'nuanced' words you are looking for are "strictly speaking not beneficial for fighting, and mostly there to make the character attractive to gynophyllic people with western standards of beauty." Heels make your feet sore and make you much easier to knock off balance in exchange for a butt lift. I don't care what word you want to call it. But it's obvious WHY it's in the pictures that have them.

Some of your 'pics without boob windows' were re-posts. So I'm glad we can find some common ground and agreement on both sides of the discussion that those were great pics that should totally serve as inspiration for the devs.

Caeryl

DFirehawkC wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord

There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps

Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.

Women who wear stilettos are causing themselves permanent physical harm, regardless of if they “like” heels or not. They make you more likely to lose balance, more likely to break your ankle, reduce your mobility, damage your tendons, and also cause early onset incontinence issues.

Posting robes or “armor” that are cut to barely cover the ass (if that) is not wanting “pretty armor”, it’s trying to make the character look like a porn category. It’s disturbing to see all these objectifying outfits being praised as if they’re somehow high quality design choices

DFirehawkC

JustVine wrote: »

DFirehawkC wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord

There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps

Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.

I believe the 'nuanced' words you are looking for are "strictly speaking not beneficial for fighting, and mostly there to make the character attractive to gynophyllic people with western standards of beauty." Heels make your feet sore and make you much easier to knock off balance in exchange for a butt lift. I don't care what word you want to call it. But it's obvious WHY it's in the pictures that have them.

Some of your 'pics without boob windows' were re-posts. So I'm glad we can find some common ground and agreement on both sides of the discussion that those were great pics that should totally serve as inspiration for the devs.

I suppose a full plate of steel amor is beneficial for fighting right? All we need is an extra couple hundred pounds on our body as we swing swords, axes, or whatever it is that we're using for offensive, lol. The point is, we choose different styles of armor because we like how they look. Yes, different styles accentuate different parts of the body, both male and female, whether its chest, breast, stomach, butt, legs, etc...so once again, so what. Let people play their style. It's a fantasy world, and as someone else pointed out earlier, there's magic involved and that leaves things very open ended as to what is possible. We can't really base a fantasy world off of reality because reality........<gasp>...doesn't have magic. As far as those pictures being western standards of beauty, I disagree. A lot of the artists producing those works are Asian...from the "East." Heels do make your feet sore...true....in reality .....and a 200 pound warhammer is impossible to swing around......so what's your point?

Caeryl wrote: »

DFirehawkC wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

Stop posting bimbo-fied “armors” with break-your-ankle heels and a boob window that shouts “aim here”. Good lord

There are genuinely good design options and y’all could at least pretend not to be creeps

Wow, get out much? There were plenty of armors posted earlier that didn't have "boob windows" in your words but of course you focus on those characteristics you don't like. You should be careful with calling that and heels as "bimbo-fied." There are some women who wear that stuff that might find that offensive. There might be a better MMO for you where you can be guaranteed you won't see anything you don't like. Its called New World, you should try it.

Women who wear stilettos are causing themselves permanent physical harm, regardless of if they “like” heels or not. They make you more likely to lose balance, more likely to break your ankle, reduce your mobility, damage your tendons, and also cause early onset incontinence issues.

Posting robes or “armor” that are cut to barely cover the ass (if that) is not wanting “pretty armor”, it’s trying to make the character look like a porn category. It’s disturbing to see all these objectifying outfits being praised as if they’re somehow high quality design choices

Once again, this is a "fantasy game." No one is hurting themselves physically doing anything whether its wearing stilettos or swinging a great axe. There are very clearly armors which barely cover anything. Do a quick google search and I'm sure you'll see plenty. What is posted isn't much different than what is already in some popular games like BDO. No one thinks they are playing porn with that game just like they won't think that with this one, even if they do add armors like the ones posted earlier. I appreciate your opnion...and it is just as valid as anyone elses. My opinion disagrees with yours. If you want to wear full robes or armor with everything covered except the face, go for it. More power to you. Not everyone wants that. And as I stated before, check out New World. That would be your type of game. You can't even tell the girls from the guys, you'd love it.

JustVine

If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.

Caeryl

JustVine wrote: »

If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.

“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.

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fabula

Caeryl wrote: »

“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.

Most people that complain so much about such things are just trying to earn brownie points that makes them feel better and won't even play the game anyways.

In the end its just fashion and I don't see women out in public wearing clothing that hides the fact they are women so I will assume that they want to wear stuff that highlights that.

For me personally I care more about the theme of the game so everything that falls within is A-OK to me.

JamesSunderland

Caeryl wrote: »

“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request.

I mean who else other than feminists would go for a request with such a specific assumption and as ambiguous as that in games?
Something that a lot of times simple varies from the perspective of person to person?

Caeryl wrote: »

Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.

Oh yeah, the modern feminist talking point by the likes of Anita Sarkeesian that assumes that the absolute majority of gamers are sexist men because the majority of games catters to them as they are sizewise the main target audience of those type of games while completely neglecting and disregarding the existence of "objectifying" Male outfits in the same medium.

JustVine

Caeryl wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.

“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.

That was more so directed at the person you were responding to, although I can see how it could be felt directed at you.

I don't really disagree with basically anything you just said. I probably wouldn't use the word 'bimbo' in this kind of discussion though. Then again I wouldn't use the word 'thot' either but sometimes you just gotta adapt to other peoples sometimes vitriolic sometimes innocent dictionary to meet them half way.

I'd love to have a much more nuanced conversation about this topic. But I really just don't think this forum is fit for it due to the general lack of civil decorum and commitment to genuine discourse.

For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.

So rather than arguing and repeating doing the work to once again walk people through such things. I'll just keep pointing them to go and try and argue that sort of point in a different kind of forum dedicated to those issues if they want to do more than state their opinion, since I can only assume they are bringing up such points for reasons other than wanting to hear their own talking points. You feel me @Caeryl ?

Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.

JamesSunderland

JustVine wrote: »

But I really just don't think this forum is fit for it due to the general lack of civil decorum and commitment to genuine discourse.

Come on don't don't throw shade at our fellow forum folks like that.

JustVine wrote: »

For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.

Please, feel more than welcome to explain how it would be a false equivalence if you're willing, last time i saw someone in this forum trying to disregard this part "that assumes that the absolute majority of gamers are sexist men because the majority of games catters to them as they are sizewise the main target audience of those type of games" and this "old adage" while screaming "Female Objetification" they went with the pathetic relativization of "Male objetification" being a mere "male power fantasy" which not only is also subjective but also is a complete joke of a relativization to be honest. I would also like to assure i'm always more than willing to change my mind through good arguments. ^^

JustVine wrote: »

Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.

Not only Margaret, i believe Steven and the rest of the team is certainly "fairly reasonable" people who are more than capable of nuance and i certainly have faith in their decisions.

Caeryl

JustVine wrote: »

Caeryl wrote: »

JustVine wrote: »

If you want to have a nuanced discussion about lib-fem definitions of beauty and patriarchal constructs intersecting with self perception, I suggest you join a feminist forum to have that kind of rational discussion. This forum isn't good enough at having a rational complex conversation about such topics. So your going to have to work harder than that if that is really where you want to go.

“Don’t treat the female body like it’s an object to be stared at when designing armor” is not a wild “feminist” request. Online games have just gotten way too comfortable catering to sexist men that somehow it’s seen as “attacking” them when women express that these objectifying outfits make us uncomfortable and unwelcome.

That was more so directed at the person you were responding to, although I can see how it could be felt directed at you.

I don't really disagree with basically anything you just said. I probably wouldn't use the word 'bimbo' in this kind of discussion though. Then again I wouldn't use the word 'thot' either but sometimes you just gotta adapt to other peoples sometimes vitriolic sometimes innocent dictionary to meet them half way.

I'd love to have a much more nuanced conversation about this topic. But I really just don't think this forum is fit for it due to the general lack of civil decorum and commitment to genuine discourse.

For example, James has brought up that old adage of 'sexualized male costumes' as if the two are equivalent. It's been explained several times on this forum in particular why this is a flawed and unnuanced take. But it'll just get rolled away out of the brain space since they have 'better things to do' and aren't necessarily looking to change their opinion.

So rather than arguing and repeating doing the work to once again walk people through such things. I'll just keep pointing them to go and try and argue that sort of point in a different kind of forum dedicated to those issues if they want to do more than state their opinion, since I can only assume they are bringing up such points for reasons other than wanting to hear their own talking points. You feel me @/Caeryl ?

Margaret is a fairly reasonable person who is capable of nuance. I'm sure a reasonable position is being advocated for in the design room as long as she is there, based on the monthly skins.

Some users have certainly made it clear they genuinely don't care about anything but their own desire for fanservice, and somehow see no issue with that, but that's unfortunately far too common. No point doing anything at this point but blocking so I don't have to see the nonsense.

I can only hope Intrepid continues on the path they've been taking so far in regards to armor. Thankfully they've kept away from the gross Tera-esque designs, and aside from a very small handful, cosmetics have been nearly 1:1 equitable between the two sexes.

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Caeryl

Hailee wrote: »

JamesSunderland wrote: »

Please, feel more than welcome to explain how it would be a false equivalence if you're willing

you can't ask people to explain their reasoning behind requests like this when its just mock outrage and hyperbole to gain woke points from their #yesallmen facebook group, that would mean they'd have to actually activate some of their grey matter and come up with an answer that isn't just a mountainous pile of stuff from the other end.

Here's the gist summed up in one easy image for you

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