Female Armor

So I've been showing this game to my wife. We play some games together but she only likes to play "hot girl characters". When we play League of Legends, she refuses to play "ugly champions" even if they are really good lol. So when I showed her some armor set images from AoC, she immediately asked "where's the hot girl armor?" I know AoC isn't going to have Hyper Sexualized armor, and that's fine, but will girls have some sort of flattering armor sets? Despite some people's beliefs, it's not just guys that want sexy female characters to look at. Just as some of us guys want to play the super ripped heroic fighter, our wives/girlfriends/female players want to be sexy. Any info or screenshots of such armor? Thanks!

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JamesSunderland

JustVine wrote: »

No problem. That's a normal human response isn't it?

Sure, maybe a "normal human a bit too emotionally invested in the topic" response i suppose.

JustVine wrote: »

Right and honestly I don't mind the fact that you don't understand why Nerror is correct there. You having that reaction doesn't change my (positive) opinion of you.

God, how much i wish it was only a matter of "not understanding" and not just a subjective relativization through ideological lens. :'(
I appreciate your positive opinion about me tho, because i certainly also hold a positive opinion about you.

JustVine wrote: »

I think you are good faith enough person when debating generally, that the reason your reaction is what it is, is because understanding why is really philosophical and requires having a strong background in the philosophical discourse society has done during the various waves of the feminist movement and a large amount of either lived experience or awareness of other people's situations.

What a coincidence, I also think you are good faith enough person when debating generally, and even tho i'm not sure, the reason you might be misunderstanding my point might possible be a lack of psychological and anthropologial reasoning which would require a fairly strong background in said areas.

JustVine wrote: »

If you /really/ want to learn the fundamentals of why I think I would be willing to walk through it with you in pm. But it's a lot of work and secondly requires scholarly reading. I only offer it to you out of general respect for you if you had enough interest for it to be 'worth spending my time'. But this particular thread as you can see from several people here's emotional responses is probably not the best platform.

I'm pretty interested in those fundamentals, but please don't feel compelled to do so just out of general respect for me, just do so if genuinely willing to do it. Let's not maim the thread further.

JustVine

JamesSunderland wrote: »

I'm pretty interested in those fundamentals, but please don't feel compelled to do so just out of general respect for me, just do so if genuinely willing to do it. Let's not maim the thread further.

Lol, right?

George_Black

Vaknar wrote: »

Some of this thread has been very interesting to read through. Especially with examples!

However, some of this thread has also been not awesome to read through.

I'd love it if we could steer this back to a more productive conversation! Having differing opinions is what the forums are all about. However, our forums are also all about being well unto one another ^_^

What are some armor sets that we've shown that you like and dislike, and what do you like and dislike about them?

Ye make it a rule that when it comes to forum pvp people are only allowed to repeat the same stuff only once.
People fill pages upon pages trying to prove that only their view is legitimate and the rest of us have to dig through *** to get back on track with topics.

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Songcaller

Hailee wrote: »

Some real world examples of cloth armor I'd like to see. (And a black Cape. I just think its a really nice idea having one with a collar like that.)

The top right image stirs my soul and the third from bottom stirs my heart

Lancillotto

DFirehawkC wrote: »

Here are my suggestions on what I think would be nice for female armors for mages/archers/priestess type classes.

Those look nice, but you can't call any of them armor. They are just clothing. Ditto for what Hailee just posted.

Caww

cloth - leather - metal, the cloth wearers are generally understood to have imbued cloth armor for protection making any of the above plausible in a fantasy setting

Jhoren

Anything that looks like a long evening gown is a big no thanks for me, when it comes to armor. Anything much below the knees, other than pants/leg armor and boots, is just stupid. Maybe if it's one of those dresses that are actually split in the middle like pants, allowing for free movement, but still looks like a dress. Or where the sides of the dress are open, allowing free movement that way.

I am a big fan of Lagertha's armors from that Vikings series, from an aesthetic point of view.

She wore a long skirt at one point I think, and armor on top, but that wasn't specifically for going into battle IIRC. When she was raiding she wore pants.

RyanTheSiren

"unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"if you're going to have armor, it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of an immersive issue.[9] – Steven Sharif

We're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting, but we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like they're there.[9] – Jeffrey Bard

Yet when the game launches I can choose from one of multiple pretty princess dress cosmetics I've already bought... none of which are practical for combat.

Idk why there can't be pretty, feminine, flattering clothing/cosmetic OPTIONS in the game. Obviously the standard armor sets should look cool and functional, but idk why everyone acts like its a sin to include SOME skimpy clothing/armor OPTIONS, especially because as a veteran MMO player with mostly female friends I can confidently say that most of them enjoy said revealing armor sets.

There's PLENTY of "non practical" yet covered cosmetics already out, like Fishermen garb, etc. and I see 0 people raising the concern that they aren't practical for combat.

Also I keep seeing people say "Steven said there won't be any" YET on one of the last few livestreams he was specifically asked about this IIRC and he said there would be cosmetic options and that some already exist from monthly packs, so clearly he is not as averse to it as he earlier quote that you guys spam make him seem.

The issue arises when it's ONLY skimpy oversexualized impractical armor for female characters. Because then the game is clearly oversexualizing the female characters to fit the male gaze. Especially when all the male armor is super big and fully covered. I'd also argue that offering no feminine/more revealing options at all is also bad, as it restricts expression and customization for female players who want to dress their toon that way. The important thing is options. And it's ok if most of the options are functional and realistic, as long as the other ones still exist. WoW is like that IMO, there's only like a few dozen armor sets that actually show off skin, while the rest are mostly covered. But having those handful of other choices is very nice.

Also for RP purposes. My character is an Elvish mystic seer who is going to live in a tree cottage outside of a node and sew clothes which she will have her animal-summons bring in to town to sell. She is going to be adept at using the stars to tell the future to passing travelers, and a practitioner of healing magic. I want her to be able to dress in pretty/casual/formal dresses etc., not always be stuck in big bulky armor. Because we aren't always going to be in combat in this game.

I'm genuinely so tired of seeing tons of men on this forum/the discord explaining why it's bad to have skimpy armor in game...feels too much like IRL

George_Black

RyanTheSiren wrote: »

"unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"if you're going to have armor, it should be protective. I think from a fashion statement is enjoyable for some people, but it's a kind of an immersive issue.[9] – Steven Sharif

We're going for kind of a more realistic look; not necessarily realistic setting, but we want our characters to have weight and kind of feel like they're there.[9] – Jeffrey Bard

Yet when the game launches I can choose from one of multiple pretty princess dress cosmetics I've already bought... none of which are practical for combat.

Idk why there can't be pretty, feminine, flattering clothing/cosmetic OPTIONS in the game. Obviously the standard armor sets should look cool and functional, but idk why everyone acts like its a sin to include SOME skimpy clothing/armor OPTIONS, especially because as a veteran MMO player with mostly female friends I can confidently say that most of them enjoy said revealing armor sets.

Also I keep seeing people say "Steven said there won't be any" YET on one of the last few livestreams he was specifically asked about this IIRC and he said there would be cosmetic options and that some already exist from monthly packs, so clearly he is not as averse to it as he earlier quote that you guys spam make him seem.

The issue arises when it's ONLY skimpy oversexualized impractical armor for female characters. Because then the game is clearly oversexualizing the female characters to fit the male gaze. Especially when all the male armor is super big and fully covered. I'd also argue that offering no feminine/more revealing options at all is also bad, as it restricts expression and customization for female players who want to dress their toon that way. The important thing is options. And it's ok if most of the options are functional and realistic, as long as the other ones still exist. WoW is like that IMO, there's only like a few dozen armor sets that actually show off skin, while the rest are mostly covered. But having those handful of other choices is very nice.

I'm genuinely so tired of seeing tons of men on this forum/the discord explaining why it's bad to have skimpy armor in game...feels too much like IRL

Nice. As if there isnt tiktok instagram and onlyfans, the morality of AoC armor design will change the world.
And then there is the arguements that "it's not immersive" while will ride lions and sharks.

People want both prude and sexy female armors. Some for the perv others because it makes them feel pretty. There will be both.

Veeshan

Vaknar wrote: »

Some of this thread has been very interesting to read through. Especially with examples!

However, some of this thread has also been not awesome to read through.

I'd love it if we could steer this back to a more productive conversation! Having differing opinions is what the forums are all about. However, our forums are also all about being well unto one another ^_^

What are some armor sets that we've shown that you like and dislike, and what do you like and dislike about them?

I wouldnt mind seeing some armor sets that are themed with some of your mount designs.

Your fox of the pyre mount would go well with a cloth set that got a theme like japanese shrine priestess wouldnt mind seeing ur take on that kinda cloth armor for ashes to go with the fox mount

Your turtle mount: Would work well with a turtle shell heavy armor set (Something different from you heavy armor that is metal

For birds/gryphon, leather armor adorned by feathers

Caww

If AoC doesn't mind a ESRB Rating of Mature 17+ then almost any armors can be available but they would need to more careful if they wanted a ESRB Rating of Teen (13+).

Deepwood

I think talking about sexy armor sets or clothes for AoC sounds for me inappropriate. There should be some kind of ladylike, graceful and dignified sets of clothes for female characters available to show the feminine side of a character if a player want to.
But this is always difficult to balance. But I think this should be the same for male characters btw..

cosmichedgehog

Tbh, I don't actually mind armor that is more "body conscious" - except for plate. Because in a more realistic sense plate armor becomes dangerous to the wearer when it is snug and cups around boobs. It provided more danger of injury from combat than it does protection. And I just can't get that out of my head - even given the fantasy game aspect. I guess because I usually play females of plate wearing classes.

That being said, I obviously prefer more realistic than fantasy type armor for my characters. But I'm not going to begrudge anyone who likes the pure fantasy aspect. As long as it doesn't just apply to women. Send males off to battle in metal tong! Have a whole speedo battle brigade! Though I don't really think that matches the aesthetic that AoC wants to go with.

I think there is room for realism and fantasy aspects, as long as it applies to all genders and doesn't go to extremes.

superhero6785

Hailee wrote: »

Some real world examples of cloth armor I'd like to see. (And a black Cape. I just think its a really nice idea having one with a collar like that.)

I'm ignoring most of the rage comments, but glad to see some constructive feedback on examples of possible feminine cloth armor styles in addition to heavy/leather armor. Thanks! I hope Intrepid makes some cloth armors with these styles as a reference.

superhero6785

Caww wrote: »

If AoC doesn't mind a ESRB Rating of Mature 17+ then almost any armors can be available but they would need to more careful if they wanted a ESRB Rating of Teen (13+).

I see plenty of feminine and/or semi revealing clothing in many TV13 shows and other Teen rated games. Nobody is asking for nudity or "mature" content here. Just simple feminine outfits. Hell, the character creator itself has a turntable of a man & woman in their underwear...So at this point it's JUST that some people have it out for feminine looking clothes. Coming fresh off New World - my wife is quite concerned about another western MMO and the potential armor choices. I know some of these comments make it seem like anyone who asks for an even slightly feminine armor or clothing is somehow demanding an Ashes OnlyFans account be created, but I can assure you some gamers just want to play a feminine looking character and not be covered up in blankets and shamed by others for liking feminine things, even if it's not the most protective choice, because you know, fantasy game mages should apparently only wear head-to-toe plate armor as it provides the "best" protection.

With many of the recent armor showings from Intrepid, I have full confidence that the armor choices they gives us will be adequate.

Raise

Roland40 wrote: »

New here, but as far as busty female armor, it's not at all practical and would actually be dangerous in real world. If you took a chest hit, or even tripped and fell over, your sternum could break.

The real world is not named Ashes of Creation.

I personally do not like this argument because it's literally laced with hypocrisy.

The protest against revealing armor is mostly just insecurity. Biased insecurity at that.

There shouldn't be any shirtless, extremely ripped males either then by this logic, but I bet you the game will be riddled with them.

It's OK to have half-naked, buff males but for some reason people are offended by a virtual female body.

It's a fantasy game; with creatures, magic and nonsense.

Applying real-world logic to a fantasy video game with flying monsters is more of a mask than an argument.

Sygmund

Raise wrote: »

It's OK to have half-naked, buff males but for some reason people are offended by a virtual female body.
It's a fantasy game; with creatures, magic and nonsense.

We've seen enough nonsense in recent years. From oversized tower armor and plate bikinis everything was there. I hope they offer some realism and shabby armor as well. I would prefer that

superhero6785

Sygmund wrote: »

We've seen enough nonsense in recent years. From oversized tower armor and plate bikinis everything was there. I hope they offer some realism and shabby armor as well. I would prefer that

"As well" being the key words. That's all we're asking for. Choice. If they "overcorrect" the same way New World did, I'll be very disappointed.

akabear

I don`t mind various tiers of light coverage to very full coverage.

What I do want to see is that that has influence. Meaning lightly clad, however, it be, means you are faster and more agile but less protected and full covering the opposite with varying degrees from light, to med, to heavy. Even extremes on the light and the heavy.

But what I would like to steer away from is players circumventing potentially the intention of the game.. NW to increase carrying capacity when gathering, then players wore nothing and just ran around in the bare model state/underwear.. not into that.

But do really like the idea of the risk/reward.. ie glass cannon at one extreme > want to hit harder go super light and risk one/two-hit death.. or the laden tank > hard to take down, cannot hit hard but can pull all damage their way and walk slowly around

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