Anyone else want druids?

I love playing druids in MMOs. Single class that can do it all(tank/magic and melee dmg/heal), the aesthetic, Transformations, everything. I know we already have so many classes and archetypes already, but druids are my main request.

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JustVine

Maybe will get cool cosmetics that are meant to dynamically react to class abilities that could do this down the line.

bloodprophet

Hopefully they will leave the shape shifting trope where it is and belongs. In lesser products.

Summoner's being able to fill multiple roles will not be done on the fly like the WoW Druid. Still need to change your secondary and Respec to change your roll. Tanking and healing through/with your summon seems like it will be a fun challenge. Many will try most won't succeed.
Hopefully they leave changing as a challenge of some sort and not just a gold sink.

cosmichedgehog

Mhmmmn, I have thought about this before and reached the conclusion "no". Druids exist in lore, from what I've read thus far, but not in terms of anything that would work for a class. Maybe as a master gardener, but that's about it. As much as I love my feral druid in "that game that shall remain nameless", I have to say no to it in AoC. I will remake my druid character here, but she will be an elderly Vek shaman.

GrandHarfang

Wouldn't mind having a shapeshifting druid archetype. From my (very) limited understanding of the class system, I believe it would fit as a more balanced type of archetype, not unlike the summoner. The secondary archetype would maybe determine its flavor (shapeshifting form).

Caww

cosmichedgehog wrote: »

Maybe as a master gardener,

umm.... I do need help with my roses...

CROW3

Caww wrote: »

cosmichedgehog wrote: »

Maybe as a master gardener,

umm.... I do need help with my roses...

I thought we already had hobbits with the Nikua?

Caww

CROW3 wrote: »

Caww wrote: »

cosmichedgehog wrote: »

Maybe as a master gardener,

umm.... I do need help with my roses...

I thought we already had hobbits with the Nikua?

they EAT the roses !!!

Shoelid

Not really keen on the playstyle of a druid being in the game (the ability to fit any role), but I agree that it's an aesthetic that isn't super present in Ashes at the moment.

Electronn

My favorite thing about my Night Elf boomkin from the game that shall not be named was the ability to Vanish and Flight Form out of pretty much any PVP (or PVE) situation that started going south. Pure win. Loved it.

Also loved the ability to B-rez before they gave the ability to other classes as well.

Also loved knocking people off the cliff at the LM in AB from Stealthed Cat Form.

Good times. For ashes, I just CANT WAIT TO PLAY with or without a Druid idc. LFG! Hype!

cosmichedgehog

mcnasty wrote: »

Also loved knocking people off the cliff at the LM in AB from Stealthed Cat Form.

You sound like my husband. He referred to his druid as a kitty rogue.

rikardp98

Sawtooth wrote: »

Goatrek wrote: »

I would love whats essentially a feral druid from vanilla wow. A class that can do everything ok but is not the best at anything but still with some unique utility ofc so its not redundant. its interesting to have atleast 1 such class in an mmo, Shapshifting is also my favourite class trope

The problem is core design. Druids as popularized by that other game are built around the core system of “specialization” and “talents.” They can do “everything” because of specialization being able to be changed. Where as Ashes of Creation core systems is built on Classes being able to choose a secondary archetype. You can only change your secondary archetype, not your entire role/class.
Example: I pick Rogue. Rogue is a dps archetype. Realistically I can never change this. But I can choose a secondary archetype to modify it. Let’s say I pick bard next. Bard is a support archetype. So rogue/bard will combine into Charlatan. Which will be a dps role with support modification. This is as close as anyone will get to a “hybrid” and you have 64 possibly combinations for players to choose from.

How would a WoW Druid fit into that system? Not possible. Even if there was only a feral druid. You now have to think of a way that it can be modified by every other class. Which while theoretically possible is arguably not worth the effort, and not something that Ashes core players even want. It’s something to please WoW tourists who watch Asmongold streams.

Let’s let WoW be WoW and Ashes be Ashes.
Thank you

Isn't wows druid based on the druid from DnD? And isn't a lot of the class design in ashes also taken from DnD?

I don't think a copy paste from wow would be a good idea, but a nature based archetype like a druid would fit the game very well.

And it's not like you will give the archetype druid all the roles, instead you give the other archetypes druid-like abilities. So a tank/druid will get bear stuff, rogues/druid will get the cat stuff, and so on.

The druid itself will most likely be a support class.

Dygz

Ashes is based on Pathfinder.
Pathfinder Druids have Wild Shape, yes.

Ranger is the Nature-based Primary Archetype.
Summoner is the companion Primary Arcyetype.
Beastmaster is probably the closest to Druid for Ashes.

rikardp98

Dygz wrote: »

Ashes is based on Pathfinder.
Pathfinder Druids have Wild Shape, yes.

Ranger is the Nature-based Primary Archetype.
Summoner is the companion Primary Arcyetype.
Beastmaster is probably the closest to Druid for Ashes.

I wouldn't call Ranger a nature-based Archetype, It's a bow/stealth archetype. I mean a lot of it's abilities have fire and flames in them.

But yes, i do believe it's the closest we have to a nature-based archetype, but nothing like a druid.

insomnia

Druid has been brought up before. Have in mind. That when Intrepid design a class. They have to take into consideration how other class augments would be for that class. And how it could augment the other classes

Happymeal2415

I could be wrong but I think in Steven's initial plan he had druid and monk as archetypes but they were cut during early development. I could also see those being on Steven's after launch to do list that he's mentioned before. Maybe some future expansions could bring them in.

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Dygz

rikardp98 wrote: »

Dygz wrote: »

Ashes is based on Pathfinder.
Pathfinder Druids have Wild Shape, yes.

Ranger is the Nature-based Primary Archetype.
Summoner is the companion Primary Arcyetype.
Beastmaster is probably the closest to Druid for Ashes.

I wouldn't call Ranger a nature-based Archetype, It's a bow/stealth archetype. I mean a lot of it's abilities have fire and flames in them.

But yes, i do believe it's the closest we have to a nature-based archetype, but nothing like a druid.

Bow/Stealth/Trap/Mobility
Flame line is a possible Active Skill. Yes.
Beastmaster is probably closest to Druid.

Sawtooth

rikardp98 wrote: »

Sawtooth wrote: »

Goatrek wrote: »

I would love whats essentially a feral druid from vanilla wow. A class that can do everything ok but is not the best at anything but still with some unique utility ofc so its not redundant. its interesting to have atleast 1 such class in an mmo, Shapshifting is also my favourite class trope

The problem is core design. Druids as popularized by that other game are built around the core system of “specialization” and “talents.” They can do “everything” because of specialization being able to be changed. Where as Ashes of Creation core systems is built on Classes being able to choose a secondary archetype. You can only change your secondary archetype, not your entire role/class.
Example: I pick Rogue. Rogue is a dps archetype. Realistically I can never change this. But I can choose a secondary archetype to modify it. Let’s say I pick bard next. Bard is a support archetype. So rogue/bard will combine into Charlatan. Which will be a dps role with support modification. This is as close as anyone will get to a “hybrid” and you have 64 possibly combinations for players to choose from.

How would a WoW Druid fit into that system? Not possible. Even if there was only a feral druid. You now have to think of a way that it can be modified by every other class. Which while theoretically possible is arguably not worth the effort, and not something that Ashes core players even want. It’s something to please WoW tourists who watch Asmongold streams.

Let’s let WoW be WoW and Ashes be Ashes.
Thank you

Isn't wows druid based on the druid from DnD? And isn't a lot of the class design in ashes also taken from DnD?

I don't think a copy paste from wow would be a good idea, but a nature based archetype like a druid would fit the game very well.

And it's not like you will give the archetype druid all the roles, instead you give the other archetypes druid-like abilities. So a tank/druid will get bear stuff, rogues/druid will get the cat stuff, and so on.

The druid itself will most likely be a support class.

So it’s not a copy paste from WoW and then you go on to explain how it’s a copy paste from WoW.
If Intrepid is smart they won’t listen to any ideas from WoWBabies. They ruined there own game with the horrible ideas they thought the wanted, but they never learn their lesson.

A nature themed class is fine. But one that has to have a heckin “bear form” and “cat form” is a WoW themed class. Not to mention one that Blizzard themselves could never balance.
One could argue there are already nature themed archetype options.

Sygmund

i woud like became a druid too. But not a shapeshifter. Maybe i see a healer like a cleric with a strong smooth taste of nature healing skills and some crowd controll. I love the nature spirit. i see the druid as a reserved peaceful healer. Maybe a Mixture of a cleric/ranger without bow/summoner

rikardp98

Sawtooth wrote: »

rikardp98 wrote: »

Sawtooth wrote: »

Goatrek wrote: »

I would love whats essentially a feral druid from vanilla wow. A class that can do everything ok but is not the best at anything but still with some unique utility ofc so its not redundant. its interesting to have atleast 1 such class in an mmo, Shapshifting is also my favourite class trope

The problem is core design. Druids as popularized by that other game are built around the core system of “specialization” and “talents.” They can do “everything” because of specialization being able to be changed. Where as Ashes of Creation core systems is built on Classes being able to choose a secondary archetype. You can only change your secondary archetype, not your entire role/class.
Example: I pick Rogue. Rogue is a dps archetype. Realistically I can never change this. But I can choose a secondary archetype to modify it. Let’s say I pick bard next. Bard is a support archetype. So rogue/bard will combine into Charlatan. Which will be a dps role with support modification. This is as close as anyone will get to a “hybrid” and you have 64 possibly combinations for players to choose from.

How would a WoW Druid fit into that system? Not possible. Even if there was only a feral druid. You now have to think of a way that it can be modified by every other class. Which while theoretically possible is arguably not worth the effort, and not something that Ashes core players even want. It’s something to please WoW tourists who watch Asmongold streams.

Let’s let WoW be WoW and Ashes be Ashes.
Thank you

Isn't wows druid based on the druid from DnD? And isn't a lot of the class design in ashes also taken from DnD?

I don't think a copy paste from wow would be a good idea, but a nature based archetype like a druid would fit the game very well.

And it's not like you will give the archetype druid all the roles, instead you give the other archetypes druid-like abilities. So a tank/druid will get bear stuff, rogues/druid will get the cat stuff, and so on.

The druid itself will most likely be a support class.

So it’s not a copy paste from WoW and then you go on to explain how it’s a copy paste from WoW.
If Intrepid is smart they won’t listen to any ideas from WoWBabies. They ruined there own game with the horrible ideas they thought the wanted, but they never learn their lesson.

A nature themed class is fine. But one that has to have a heckin “bear form” and “cat form” is a WoW themed class. Not to mention one that Blizzard themselves could never balance.
One could argue there are already nature themed archetype options.

I never said it's should be a copy pasta from wow? I just gave examples on how they could handle the secondary archetype arguments. And I don't really care about bear or cat, they will probably take inspiration from pathfinder and DnD and add stuff like dire wolf, ape, snake and more. As I said, do not copy pasta from wow....

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