Sub price, cosmetic shop and alternative rules server.

I mean i was paying 15$ a month + box 20 years ago, considering inflation and no box cost i wouldnt mind paying 30 or 40$ a month to play in a world without cosmetic shop.

Could Intrepid possibly offer servers with no cosmetic shop for an additonal fee ?

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Sylvanar

NO.

Noaani

I agree that they could charge more for the game. With inflation the way it has been over the last 6 months, they may well need to increase the price before the game is released (I've suggested they could/should increase the price for a few years now).

The notion of a server with a different ruleset - any different ruleset - has been completely shut down by Steven. They have no interest at all in that. I personally would happily pay more to play on a server with no cosmetics at all - but that is simply not going to happen.

Caww

Sylvanar wrote: »

NO.

Ditto...

I still don't understand the dislike of a cos-play shop - don't use it.

unknownsystemerror

"Welcome to McDonalds. May I help you?"

Yeah, I know you have been selling BigMacs for decades pretty cheap. I would be willing to pay double or triple the price if you would just get rid of those Happy Meals. Even though I don't have any kids, I feel they are wrong. I see children playing with the toys happily, and I realize, they have no control over their desires. We must protect the chilluns! Their small, tiny brains cause them to want things that I believe have no value or fun. So, please stop selling Happy Meals.

"Thank you sir, come again. If you do not want to order, I suggest going down the street to Arby's. Sure, the food tastes like shit, but they don't have Happy Meals. Enjoy!"

Veeshan

Caww wrote: »

Sylvanar wrote: »

NO.

Ditto...

I still don't understand the dislike of a cos-play shop - don't use it.

some people have no self control and buy absolutely everything they see i guess.

Vindor

I guess most people here wouldnt choose to play on this kind of server, pretty sure i am not the only one bothered by cosmetics shop and i wonder howmany would choose to do it.

Okeydoke

I would pay more to play on a server with no cash shop. But that's just me. And you. And Noaani. And more I'm sure. But we're in the minority. Games have to compete with other games, they have to appeal to masses.

This monetization model of free or cheap to play/cash shop(p2w or not) appeals to masses. Hopefully it will die out one day. But that would require some pretty massive shifts in thinking and intelligence in the customer base. Don't hold your breath.

In the meantime, it's not really a big deal. While I would pay more to play on a non cash shop server, I agree with Intrepid's decision not to implement that. Segmenting the player base would be the bigger evil.

CROW3

I just find it interesting that years before a massively multiplayer game is out, part of the community wants to wall themselves off from the others.

RevengeRoman

Honestly I don't see benefit to having servers without the cash shop. From IS perspective, they would be actively devaluing one of they're two monetization methods by preventing their use for part of the community. They would also have to fund additional cost of setting up servers specifically for those players.

I recognize there might be a few people who would pay extra for this as a service, but it boils down to the same reason they haven't developed the game for Console, Mac, or Linux. Not enough people are interested. I would love a Linux build. I hate Windows and if it weren't for Ashes and a couple other games I'd never use Windows again if I could help it. But that's not feasible right now, and so I am stuck.

Maybe one day down the road Linux or another Operating System other than Windows will become viable for gaming. Maybe one day there will be enough interest in separate rule set servers, or launching separate servers and maintaining them will become dirt cheap. Who knows? Ashes will have a long, ever changing history, and I can't wait to see where it and Intrepid Studios go.

Taleof2Cities

Vindor wrote: »

I guess most people here wouldnt choose to play on this kind of server, pretty sure i am not the only one bothered by cosmetics shop and i wonder howmany would choose to do it.

There are many other threads on this topic, @Vindor, if you just do a simple forums search.

Almost of all them explain why this is a bad idea.

TL;DR: Cosmetics are totally optional ... there's no obligation on your part to participate. That's why there's no box cost for Ashes.

HumblePuffin

Do people who don’t want a cosmetic cash shop not want it because they dont want to see the cosmetics? Or is it just the fact it exists?

If it’s just the fact it exists I feel the most logical conclusion is just don’t use it as others suggested, and enjoy the fact that whales make your gaming experience cheaper.

If it’s that many games produce super gaudy cosmetic options, then shouldn’t the argument be for cosmetic items that aren’t gaudy and then enjoy the fact that whales make your gaming experience cheaper?

Noaani

HumblePuffin wrote: »

Do people who don’t want a cosmetic cash shop not want it because they dont want to see the cosmetics? Or is it just the fact it exists?

For me, it is the fact that I can't tell what you are wearing by just looking at your character.

Even if I can't tell the exact weapon or armor pieces you have on, I feel I should be able to look at your character and know if you are going to attack me with a two handed sword, or a bow and arrow. I should know if you are wearing plate armor or a robe.

Cosmetics prevent me from being able to tell this.

Being as that may, Steven has said no alternative ruleset servers. So, no alternative ruleset servers.

MybroViajero

unknownsystemerror wrote: »

"Welcome to McDonalds. May I help you?"

Yeah, I know you have been selling BigMacs for decades pretty cheap. I would be willing to pay double or triple the price if you would just get rid of those Happy Meals. Even though I don't have any kids, I feel they are wrong. I see children playing with the toys happily, and I realize, they have no control over their desires. We must protect the chilluns! Their small, tiny brains cause them to want things that I believe have no value or fun. So, please stop selling Happy Meals.

"Thank you sir, come again. If you do not want to order, I suggest going down the street to Arby's. Sure, the food tastes like shit, but they don't have Happy Meals. Enjoy!"

AidanKD

I will approximate the dollars to pounds - but I can't think of any equivalent game subscription going to upwards of £30pm that is absolutely insane. Maybe mr moneybags here might be happy to pay for it, but the vast majority don't want to have to pay £360 a year to play this game, as opposed to the £120 we will be looking at roughly right now. Given that it's only cosmetics, you will get people that might buy out the shop but most people will just buy one here or there. I'd hate to have to pay 2x the subscription or more essentially as a cost for not having the cosmetic cash shop, which really isn't a big a deal as people are making out.

Sylvanar

Noaani wrote: »

Threat evaluation is directly tied to the cosmetic shop

All your points from the first post on this thread has been transmog related and none have anything to do with cosmetic shop and can be easily resolved with a simple limitation that gear can only be transmogged into the same type of gear. Like axe into axe, cloth into cloth, etc. Which I would like to be there regardless.

You want to threat assess 10 people at the same time without hovering your mouse over them. There are so many issues with this, its not even funny. Now imagine a horde of people come in front of you:
- You are looking at their description and not at what they are doing.
- There is a flood of information which not even 1% of players are equipped to process in the required timeframe.
- You want the information bubble to overlap or not? Overlap then you cant read description of people standing side by side. Not overlap then your screen is filled with information bubbles. So there are gonna be complaints either way.
- Imagine going into a village or metropolis which would be packed with players.

To be honest I dont see the point of this "threat assessment" of 10 people coming at me BECAUSE if 10 people are coming at me and I am alone then all I would have is time to click on them and look at stuff as I would be dead. On the contrary, if you are hidden then you have ample time to threat assess them by clicking on them.

Lastly, you can say that this feature should be toggleable. But then AoC is open world PvP, you would have to choose to keep it on or off all the time for it to serve its intended purpose except when in metropolis/village.

PS: Plate/cloth doesnt matter as much. Why? As AoC isnt going to balance 1v1 then lets say Rogues have inherent advantage against Bards. So I see 2-3 people coming at me and one of them is a bard, I jump on them irrespective of gear. Why not spend 10 seconds to threat assess? Initiative gives advantage. As it is already 1 vs many, I would like to have that advantage on my side.

HumblePuffin wrote: »

I personally think it should just be on all name plates.

Its called nameplate and not character description for a reason. I hope it does with it is titled as.

Noaani

Sylvanar wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Threat evaluation is directly tied to the cosmetic shop

All your points from the first post on this thread has been transmog related and none have anything to do with cosmetic shop and can be easily resolved with a simple limitation that gear can only be transmogged into the same type of gear. Like axe into axe, cloth into cloth, etc. Which I would like to be there regardless.

I agree.

However, Steven has already outright said no to that.

Sylvanar

Noaani wrote: »

However, Steven has already outright said no to that.

Well this is disappointing. I didn't know that.

HumblePuffin

Edit: I went right back to identification. I’ll moderate my comment myself over to the other thread.

Atama

Noaani wrote: »

Sylvanar wrote: »

Noaani wrote: »

Threat evaluation is directly tied to the cosmetic shop

All your points from the first post on this thread has been transmog related and none have anything to do with cosmetic shop and can be easily resolved with a simple limitation that gear can only be transmogged into the same type of gear. Like axe into axe, cloth into cloth, etc. Which I would like to be there regardless.

I agree.

However, Steven has already outright said no to that.

Are we sure that is the case for skins? I know that costumes will cover up anything and have no restrictions. But skins are reliant on the kind of item you apply it to. If you have a skin for a gliding mount, for example, and you try to put it on a horse, it won't work because that skin is for a different mount tier. Steven certainly implies that skins will be reliant on the kind of item you apply it to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY6HW-tcVG8&t=2503s

He's not saying explicitly that cloth skins can only go on cloth items, and so on. But there seems to be an implication of that. Do you have a more definitive statement from Steven to share about this?

(Again, excluding costumes, which we know will just cover up anything else you have regardless of what it is, though costumes don't affect weapons.)

Noaani

Atama wrote: »

Are we sure that is the case for skins?

We don't yet know how skins will work, so it may not be the case for them.

However, skins are (as far as I can see) mostly to be found in game, while costumes are to be found on the store. As such, it is the costume aspect of cosmetics that are the issue here.

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