Playstyles you would liek to see in AoC

Figured we could have a little fun and suggest some play style you would like tosee in AoC could recommend a class too that you might think it work well for,

Summoner

Enchanter (Summoner/Bard) This play style would forgo traditionals pet summons to more summons that augment via enchanting enemy/allies equipment this would play more as a support role however does do some dmg still, Some of there enchants will apply a negative or possitive effect depending if used on enemy for example casting a weapon weight enchant would be lighter for allies (Allow for faster attack) or heavier weapon on enemy slowing there attacks, They can enchant equipment to be more resistant to certain dmg types. enchants should be low mana cost but constantly drain mana over time till they get removed from there targets, there should be a way to regain mana aswell mayve enchanting an animated weapon which will attack enemies gaining a stacking buff to where the enchanting dismisses the weapon they regain mana based on the buff count.

Necromancer (summoner/cleric) - Summons undead summoners these pets applies debuffs depends on the current summon and necro have spell that interact with the debuffs for example summon ghoul applieds disease debuff which stacks 10 times reduces healing by 5% per stack however a necro spekll can transform this debuff into a DoT when they use a certain spells in there kit, i feel they should have life steal spell in there kit and maybe a way to transfer their heal to heal their summons (Or maybe players too)

Beastmaster - Kinda wouldnt mind seeing this class be able to transform into the beasts they summonm too getting a new skill set could be interesting

Ranger

Strider (Ranger/fighter) This one i think should be all about swapping from melee to range so zipping in and out of melee and range, melee attacks should apply buff to the range attacks and range atatcks should buff there melee to incentise swapping weapons (Should probaly get a dash to get into melee and a disengage ability to accomodate)

Falconer - I would love to see falconers have the ability to channel a skill to see/control there falcon in the sky to be used for scouting from the air

Anti tank class (Soulbow maybe) - Wouldnt midn seeing a class where there base dmg is lower that all skills however there attacks penetrate armor so they do more dmg than players on tanks but less dmg on lightly armored as a trade off, Soul bow might make sense here basicly his attacks target the soul over the physical being there for bypassing armor but overall they have much less dps basicly they be cxounter to tanks but weaker to ligherly armored.

Anti aoe class, I would like to see a class probaly a tank class like a spell shield possibly that has the ability to pop a short duration shield that greatly reduces aoe dmg this is to allow for a way to bust through choke points in seiges without being aoe to death trying to get through a door way by 50+ players :P having a couple of these in a seige would allow for a couple groups to push through and distracted the aoe player in there form the doorway for everyone else to push though.

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Veeshan

if anyone got any interesting playstyle they like to see i would love to see them

CROW3

Wild Blade (summoner/fighter). Summons swords as minions, abilities control those blades in unison.

Veeshan

CROW3 wrote: »

Wild Blade (summoner/fighter). Summons swords as minions, abilities control those blades in unison.

Irelia from league could work for her however i think thet be better fior fighter/summoner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TupGTdgyvJQ&ab_channel=TuluLoL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxQAs9ULWY&ab_channel=LeagueofLegends

George_Black

Whatever the playstyle, I'd like AoC to focus more on action playstyles (not talking about action/tab target).

I want a return to large hotbars with many active, accessible abilities at any time and not a global cooldown. Each ability should have its own mp cost and cooldown based on its impact and effect.

In games like ESO the opposite is observed. A character has so many skills, but can only slot 12.
And in ESO you have access only to 12 active abilities but you have hundreds of passive abilities boosting those 12 abilities. I call that passive playstyle. Passive build.

George_Black

Passive playstyles, or builds if you like, are bad and Ill give you a few reasons as to why.

1) Even though you have unlocked so many active abilies from your class, weapon, cults and so on an so on you must select 12/100 abilities and that's it. That's your playstyle after all this time of building your character. 12/100

2) You cannot incorporate critical thinking or strategically react to whatever is thrown at you. You only have 12 abilities and you must perform that rotation even if your enemy could be a tank, a nuker, or summoner or a rogue. Your 12 ability rotation is locked, and you cant access the rest of the 100 abilities you unlocked.

3) The hundreds out of thousand passives available that your character has working 24/7 have locked you into a a very narrow objective.
Your passives may for example focus on direct dmg, not aoe dmg, not dot dmg.
Passives that focus on physical dmg, not poison or burn or bleed.
So if you have chosen to empower the penetration, crit rate, mp cost reduction attributes of your direct dmg active abilities you slotted in your 12 skills hotbar, that's it.
You wont slot a dot ability, which you could use if you chanced upon an enemy that has low defence but high mobility. The dot would hurt that enemy even if he ran away from you.
You wont slot an AoE ability that you could use against a summoner or against multiple players.

Ludullu

George_Black wrote: »

I want a return to large hotbars with many active, accessible at any time and not a global cooldown. Each ability should have its own mp cost and cooldown based on its impact and effect.

That's one of the reasons why I loved Lineage 2. It had 5 bars of 12 slots (at later updates) and had a ton of specialized and interactive abilities, that had their own cds with 0 gcd. And the more bars got added with game's updates (it started with just 1, though you could scroll through 10 setups of it, so in a way you had 120 slots), the more intricate the class design was.

Situational abilities are awesome and lead to very interesting pvp that requires a ton of knowledge of the game and general awareness of your surroundings.

George_Black

I prefer large hotbars for this simple reason.

I want to be able to slot my direct dmg abilities for my main dmg source.
I want to have room for my dot abilities in case of a fight against somebody who is good at evading hits.
I want my crushing abilities that factor armor penetration and less crit chance for example. You know... in case I go against a tank.
I want room for a couple of ranged abilities that I can use agsinst enemies that are good at maintaining distance.
I want room for my selfbuffs, consumables and utility abilities.
Not a small hotbar.

AoC will let us choose an archtype, spice it up with a combo, draw power from our weapons and also learn the secrets of various cults and organizations.

I want access to MORE than 12 active abilities for MY playstyle.
I wont be able to use all of them all the time, but if I need to react to a specific situation I want to have MANY of them slotted.

Not having to swap skills out of the hotbar every other step, depending on what I encounter next.

George_Black

I want all of my playstyle available. Not a fraction of it.

Talents

I'm hoping there's a way to play a pure Bow and Arrow, mobility Ranger without needing to use pets/traps or anything like that. Lemme just run and gun with a bow, not enough MMOs let you do that.

HumblePuffin

Some of the classes I’m most interested to try out and find myself speculating about the most is:

Summoner/rogue Shadowmancer:

I hope the name lives up to its name and you actually control shadows. Could take a stealth augment from the rogue class and now your summon disappears into just a shadow on the ground when you send it to attack. You can still see it on the ground moving but becomes obscured and untargetable. Your shadows wouldn’t always have a defined shaped and perhaps you can use them to smother your foe blinding them and restricting their movements. The combo of yourself and your summon moving stealthily around the battle field would be a disorienting experience, making the opponent wonder which way an attacks coming from next. It might be a stretch but maybe a mechanic where the summons are more powerful at night and in dark areas. I would really love to see something on the level of Pride from FMA: Brotherhood when you’re at your full power.

There’s several mage primary classes I’m interested in as well, but once again my most interested combo includes a rogue secondary Mage/Rogue Shadow caster:

I imagine getting a short term stealth augment for your blink. Once again a really disorienting enemy to fight. I could see it being an attrition caster using mobility and stealth to reposition and slowly wear down the opponent. Perhaps the rogue schools include bleed effects so you rotate between keeping dots up, and repositioning with blink and stealth to get time to cast your bigger hitting spells.

Another mage primary Mage/Bard Sorcerer:

I imagine something a lot like a Sorcerer from Aion, where you use bard augments to add sleep effects and mezzes to your spells. Like your summoner example augments could cause certain spells to give you buffs and you need to focus on managing and rotating your buffs to maximize your effectiveness.

So many more I wonder about but those are my top 3. I really hope we get more class augment school information soon so we can further speculate on what separates all the classes from one another.

Balanz

Not any specific class (although I do have some specific interests), but more an issue of accessibility. I am 61 years old, and haven't played an MMO since 2004, EverQuest 1. Last year, I really wanted to play Elite Dangerous on the PS4, but I suck with controllers. I have arthritis in my left hand, and I never really played controller games. On the other hand, I've been programming since around 1975, and I can type and use a mouse or trackball all day long.

So I would hope that there would be a few builds that would not rely on constant, twitchy play, a style more like EverQuest than Mortal Combat. I would not want the game watered down for players like me at the expense of vastly more players who would seek to excel at a combat style of keeping up fast combos for hours.

From what I understand, this might be accomplished by having at least some abilities for some weapons for some classes with a longer delay than the majority of the twitchy attacks. By playing within such a palate of slower abilities, one could have more sustainable pace.

Ashes of Creation has a lot of great ideas, and I really want to see this game succeed. I'd really like to participate myself, without my character being utterly impotent at PvP.

But I wouldn't want the game ruined either.

Lithion

I'm just really hoping that tank and cleric have some really awesome classes that can compete with pure tank/tank and cleric/cleric in their role. I'm hoping the meta ISN'T just always tank/tank is the best tank or cleric/cleric always has the best healing numbers.

I'm probably going cleric so here's some cleric ideas I think would be cool:

Cleric/Bard (Scryer): This is a class I have high hopes for, if done right it could be more useful than pure cleric in raids I think. For this class I think it should give different buffs in addition to healing. It would be very useful if your AoE heal now to also boosts DPS and everyone would be trying to stand inside the AoE while burning down a raid boss. Also maybe on the cleric whip attack or spear throw it can also give the target a debuff like slowed slightly or 10% damage reduction. I'm just thinking of bards and all the buffs and debuffs they could apply that would be fun to mix with healing abilities.

Cleric/Tank (Apostle): Of course with the tank secondary I would hope for some damage mitigation abilities for yourself but not only that, I would love to see you be able to pop magic shields on people you heal, or give them extra defense/damage mitigation with some heals.

Cleric/Ranger (Protector): Would be awesome to shoot people with healing arrows. Also the AoE damage spell instead you could shoot one glowing golden arrow in the sky and it rains down arrows on that AoE zone. Also instead of throwing a light spear its just a big light arrow.

Cleric/Mage (Oracle): It would be cool if this class added in some splash damage and elemental effects like on the cleric whip if it was coated in lightning and when you strike someone lightning can arc off that person to anyone also within 5 feet or something. On the spear throw it could be a flame spear and on impact it explodes and does a small AoE fire damage and knockback. For the AoE heal and damage circle it could be a ball of ice you launch and splashes into a frozen zone of ice on the ground that does damage and heals that also slows any enemies that wander into it.

Cleric/Summoner (Shaman): First of all, a cleric summon... Gotta have spiritual weapon like from dungeons and dragons! A giant holy hammer slamming on enemies or a holy spear at appears over their head and stab down onto them. Also another cool nod to DnD would be if you make the AoE heal/damage zone just like spiritual guardians, have a bunch of little fairies swarming around healing allies and damaging foes. I personally would also love to have a little flying summon that can shoot out small auto heals to whoever is lowest within my range, but some people might feel that's too easy mode haha maybe I'm just bad at healing and need some help lol

Cleric/Rogue (Shadow Disciple): Some cool ideas for this class would be if when the cleric throws down the AoE heal/damage circle it now has a poison effect and anyone who was in the AoE or enters the AoE will have a damage over time applied even if they leave the circle. Also maybe the whip can apply a small bleed effect. I was trying to think of ways maybe stealth could play a factor but I'm not sure which skills stealth could be applied to for the cleric lol.

Cleric/fighter (Templar): Honestly I cant think of many cool ways the fighter could add to the cleric. If you guys have some cool ideas let me know.

Uthehoe

Hi i am new to the forums. I have been reading and watching videos on AOC. If the action vr. Tab abilities is still being worked on. I was thinking that the Developers could allow the players to check a box that would determine how the ability would work with the environment. An example is like in LOL were u can choose to quick cast your abilities or to not have them quick cast. This would be useful because it would give each player to play to his style and to intermingle as they want. For example on the tank class i would want the grab to be a tab ability but the AOE an action ability. But some one else might want those abilities swapped with the way they interact. Every one is happy.

Uthehoe

I Usually play tanks. The one gripe i have with other MMOs is that threat is a PVE strictly stat. It would be kind of neat if threat would make a player tab back to the tank so that the player is disrupted and has to readjust there aim. Kind of like a very mini taunt. If i time my threat abilities right i have that chance to take a spell instead of my team mate however a person still has full control of there character and can still go back to the initial target. Could even make it a bar that a person has to fill with threat by attacking and using abilities so good tanks will know how to manage there threat well. This would also give the tank an additional tool in to get people to target them instead of just blowing by them and bursting your healer and dps.

Veeshan

Lithion wrote: »

I'm just really hoping that tank and cleric have some really awesome classes that can compete with pure tank/tank and cleric/cleric in their role. I'm hoping the meta ISN'T just always tank/tank is the best tank or cleric/cleric always has the best healing numbers.

For tank i realy want each tank class to specilise in a certain aspect in some way

Tank/Tank - specilised in physical attacks defence kinda weak to magic attacks tends to be your standard MMO tank absorbs alot of physical dmg not to much tricks to him

Tank/Mage (Spell shield) this one your anti mage tank not as strong to physical attacks but great at absorbing magic attacks (Should get an aoe 80% dmg reduction buff for 5 seconds or something to AoE attacks to i think (This is to chokepoint bust during keeps seiges and things)

Tank summoner has a tanky pet that can be used to off tank or taunt mobs off the tank allowing him to get topped up kinda thing

Tank/Rogue - Evasive tank mitigate advoid attacks rather than eats them

Tank/Cleric - a weaker tank/tank but makes up for it with some healing

Tank/Bard - average defence/MR but offers more support maybe replenishes mana buff to allow to help sustain healer since he need more healers due to lower defence than your tank/tank makeup

Veeshan

Would love to see a hybrid healer class where there heals consume there HP and there attacks are Lifestealing to replenish your HP. So you healing allies with your own HP pool and then inbetweens heals hitting mobs to replenish your HP to sustain yourself.

Fighter/Mage (Spellsword) This classes gains mana (Or a power meter) by melee attacks and they consume this bar via their spells which often has range. So there meleeing and when people get out of melee range they can consume a bar they built up for there magic attacks.

Veeshan

Uthehoe wrote: »

I Usually play tanks. The one gripe i have with other MMOs is that threat is a PVE strictly stat. It would be kind of neat if threat would make a player tab back to the tank so that the player is disrupted and has to readjust there aim. Kind of like a very mini taunt. If i time my threat abilities right i have that chance to take a spell instead of my team mate however a person still has full control of there character and can still go back to the initial target. Could even make it a bar that a person has to fill with threat by attacking and using abilities so good tanks will know how to manage there threat well. This would also give the tank an additional tool in to get people to target them instead of just blowing by them and bursting your healer and dps.

Taunting players in PvP imo should reduce there dmg output to everyone else but the person who taunted them there should be of course some indication to show who taunted you aswell. Lets say taunt reduces dmg output of a person by 75% to everyone but that person who taunted them for 5 second or so or till the person who taunted you takes x dmg from you.

Lithion

Veeshan wrote: »

Taunting players in PvP imo should reduce there dmg output to everyone else but the person who taunted them there should be of course some indication to show who taunted you aswell. Lets say taunt reduces dmg output of a person by 75% to everyone but that person who taunted them for 5 second or so or till the person who taunted you takes x dmg from you.

That reminds me of the anime "Log Horizon" lol. Except in that when you use a taunt in PvP if they go attack anyone but you they get hit with a powerful magic counter attack. I would love too see them find some way to make taunts work in PvP, but I think its very tricky because if not done just right it could be suuuper annoying! Imagine if there are 5 tanks and you don't know which one taunted you lol, they would have to make them glow red on your screen I guess. Would be very fun but hard to balance, we will have to see if they want to try it.

Veeshan

Lithion wrote: »

Veeshan wrote: »

Taunting players in PvP imo should reduce there dmg output to everyone else but the person who taunted them there should be of course some indication to show who taunted you aswell. Lets say taunt reduces dmg output of a person by 75% to everyone but that person who taunted them for 5 second or so or till the person who taunted you takes x dmg from you.

That reminds me of the anime "Log Horizon" lol. Except in that when you use a taunt in PvP if they go attack anyone but you they get hit with a powerful magic counter attack. I would love too see them find some way to make taunts work in PvP, but I think its very tricky because if not done just right it could be suuuper annoying! Imagine if there are 5 tanks and you don't know which one taunted you lol, they would have to make them glow red on your screen I guess. Would be very fun but hard to balance, we will have to see if they want to try it.

Easy way is taunt applies debuff to enemy and urself, debuff reduces enemy dmg output by 75% unless hitting somone with the debuff (So person who taunted) the debuff also highlights the player who taunted can be likea giant floating arrow or change the character model colour or what not.

I do say taunt should do something in PvP otherwise u have a useless skill for Pvp which doesnt feel good.

JamesSunderland

Uthehoe wrote: »

I Usually play tanks. The one gripe i have with other MMOs is that threat is a PVE strictly stat. It would be kind of neat if threat would make a player tab back to the tank so that the player is disrupted and has to readjust there aim. Kind of like a very mini taunt. If i time my threat abilities right i have that chance to take a spell instead of my team mate however a person still has full control of there character and can still go back to the initial target. Could even make it a bar that a person has to fill with threat by attacking and using abilities so good tanks will know how to manage there threat well. This would also give the tank an additional tool in to get people to target them instead of just blowing by them and bursting your healer and dps.

Ashes will have Tab Target Skills, threat forcing the enemy players to take your target and not letting they get other target for a sort duration (the same way it worked in both Lineage 2 and Archeage) can probably be taken for granted, as for Action Skills as stated by @Veeshan the best way to make threat work against them is by making it debuff the enemy by reducing the damage they cause to players other than the one who taunted them.

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